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mrswinteriscoming
VIP December 2021

fh not cooperative about home renovations - rant

mrswinteriscoming, on August 25, 2020 at 2:33 AM Posted in Married Life 0 22

Brace for impact – this is a long one.

FH and I live in a very expensive area where we cannot afford to buy (think New York pricing). My dad has an apartment which we ‘rent’ (we pay the mortgage off) and I will some day inherit. It is, at least for the foreseeable future, our ‘forever home’ unless we somehow can afford to buy a bigger apartment.

The apartment was leased for the last ten years and we recently moved in earlier this year. It became apparent upon moving in that we would need to renovate; there is serious water damage in the walls of the spare bedroom (our eventual baby room), the bathroom cabinetry is falling apart due to water rot, the floors are lifting due to water damage, etc. I told FH we would need to do extensive renovations before we have children and he said he didn’t want to renovate until at least 2022. For context – FH is OCD and has anxiety issues from moving around a lot as a kid, so he wasn’t thrilled that we would need to move in with my parents while renovating (unavoidable with the extent of the renovations we’d be doing).

Anyhow, we recently lodged an insurance claim for our floors. Although we weren’t going to change them until 2022, for insurance purposes we’d be at risk of not being able to claim (or having our claim reduced) if we didn’t claim soon after noticing the damage. Insurance will cover the cost of replacing our floors but we need to replace our floors in the next few months at risk of the damage worsening or mold developing. Because floors need to be done last, we need have a need to bring forward our renovations to start in January.

FH is pretty annoyed that we are going to be renovating soon and he finds it ‘convenient’ that this need to renovate sooner rather than later has come up. The way I see it, is while I could’ve held off from renovating until 2022, if we don’t do it soon, we can’t recover from insurance and will be out of pocket the $12,000 that insurance would otherwise pay us to cover the cost of the floor replacement.

I completely understand FH’s annoyance given how serious moving homes is for him due to his anxiety and OCD but I am frustrated that he isn’t on board with these renovations. He keeps saying how the apartment isn’t in as bad condition as I say, but given we have water damage, the way I see it is we might as well do everything at once.

Anyone else been through this?

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Latest activity by Jerome, on February 2, 2022 at 9:27 AM
  • Rebecca
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    Rebecca ·
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    Water damage leads to mold, which will lead to *serious* medical issues.

    Is he getting treatment for his OCD and anxiety?

    Also, the longer you wait to repair something = the more money you pay to repair/replace it.

    I think you need to continue to talk to him, and lay out really logical reasons - money, safety, etc.

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    VIP July 2017
    Becky ·
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    All of this. Mold can even be deadly in some cases - and if you have an apartment, then you're not just risking *your* health, but also your neighbors, to whose homes the mold could spread.

    He needs to talk to someone about the OCD/anxiety (though I know it's not always that easy).

    Additionally, the damage may already be worse than you can actually see.

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  • Erin
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    Im sorry. U did the right thing, calling in a claim as soon as you are aware of it.. water damage left alone can turn into a bigger problem of mold: for your and his health its better to deal with that sooner..i’m sorry your dad didnt catch it sooner and fix it BEFORE you were to take over it too
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  • Natalie
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    I agree with pp. While it may not be the most convenient time to renovate, time is of the essence! That is a large sum of money to potentially lose from insurance, and postponing will potentially lead to health issues. Talk to your FH about creating a “game plan” for these renovations and create a tentative timeline to help ease some anxiety. Also, this project will likely cause him anxiety no matter when it takes place, so it is better to “get it over with.” Find our specifics about what is making him feel this way (Living out of suitcases? Longer work commute from your parents’ house? Mess of renovation? etc) and figure out ways to help each individual issue. If this doesn’t help make this manageable, he may need to see a professional.
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  • T
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    Tiger Bride ·
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    I'm kind of on your husband's side here, actually?

    The thing that stood out to me in this post, that I'm surprised previous commenters haven't mentioned, is that you don't own this home, your father does. He rented it out for a decade and let it fall into pretty obvious disrepair as a landlord, and then let you move into it without making any kind of improvements. Now you and FH are expected to foot the bill for the renovations?

    I would not be putting this kind of money into a home I didn't own - not will own, own.

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  • Katie
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    Agree with Tiger Bride completely. Even if it is implied or expected that you will inherit the apartment, you are currently a renter and do not own it. I would not feel comfortable investing in renovations in a place I didn't own (or at least pick out my own place at that point! You said you're staying there to save $, but then investing in renovations?!) I also would NOT feel comfortable at all moving in with in-laws. I think you should talk to your dad about transferring the deed to you prior to renovations or simply find a basic studio apartment you can afford.

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  • Hanna
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    I agree with the two PPs above me. I would not feel comfortable putting any money into renovations for a home that wasn't in my name/didn't technically own.

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    Maggie ·
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    Seconding (fourthing?) this. Yes, the water damage and the potential mold is a serious issue, but where are the homeowners (i.e., your parents) in all of this? Putting any money into this place over and above an insurance payoff is an investment. And it's not a sound investment if your names are not on the deed. From your future spouse's perspective, this is even more inadvisable because he's not even married to you, the eventual/hopeful owner of the property, yet. To protect everyone, there should be some legal contract in place, if not an actual deed transfer.

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    I agree with some of these posters. Why would your dad lease you an apartment that is in such terrible condition then expect you to handle covering the costs? That makes literally no sense to me. My friend and her husband rent out an apartment that is attached to her parents' house. Before they moved all majors repairs were done so they weren't financially responsible for damage that was previously done. I also wouldn't want to live with my in-laws, but it sounds like this isn't a place really anyone should be living at currently. It sounds like you need to find a different apartment to rent until the repairs are fixed. I will also add I moved a ton throughout my life so I'm not sure how that has contributed to your fiance's medical conditions, but it sounds like he needs to be on some type of medication and/or seeking professional help.

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  • VIP August 2020
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    First, I definitely think your FH should be receiving therapy/treatment for his mental health issues, but even if he is, that doesn't guarantee that he'll be able to handle this easily.

    I agree with the last two posters who said this should really be on your dad, not on you, but family dynamics can be complicated. Also, typically (at least in the US, I don't know about Australian policies) renters insurance only covers your stuff; homeowners insurance covers the building, so I suspect there's a bit more to this.

    I understand that you want to have all of the renovations done at once. There are a lot of reasons to do it that way if you can, but knowing that this is going to be very difficult for your FH, you may want to think about doing this in stages.
    You obviously need to take care of the floors and any safety hazards ASAP. You can't live there while the floor is being redone and you might not be able to live there while the water damage in the spare room or bathroom (especially if you only have one) is being removed. But if any of the renovations you're talking about are not strictly related to safety hazards, you might want to hold off on those things so you can move back in sooner.
    Additionally, if you have to move out of an apartment that you're renting because of safety issues, someone should be paying for you to live elsewhere while the renovations are completed. If you have renters insurance, contact them. If not, talk to your dad about having him pay the mortgage on the apartment while it's being renovated so you can use the money to go somewhere else. He shouldn't have let you (or any tenant) move into an apartment that was so unsafe. It sounds like you have at least two bedrooms. Maybe while the renovations are being done, you and FH could move into a studio or one-bedroom apartment temporarily instead of moving in with your parents. If his issues are related to moving around a lot as a child, when he was living with his parents or other adults, I feel like moving in with your parents would be more likely to trigger his anxiety than moving somewhere, with only you. I also remember you saying that he doesn't fully understand why your family spends so much time together, so I really can't see moving in with them being good for your relationship with him.
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  • Cassandra7
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    So you are going to sink a great deal of work and money into renovating an apartment that you don't own and may never own, since promised bequests have a way of dematerializing. This sounds like an excellent arrangement for your father, who gets his property restored for him free and without effort on his part. It sounds like a really risky arrangement for you and your future husband. Personally, I would live somewhere else.

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  • mrswinteriscoming
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    In response to all the comments about renovating the apartment - we live in an area where we will almost definitely never own property. We are talking $1-2million for a 3 bedroom apartment. We are not necessarily saving any money by renting off my father - we have a fair deal where we pay off the mortgage to the dollar and he is out of pocket for strata fees (he refuses to charge us for it). At market rate the apartment was a source of income whereas we are not paying anything above the mortgage. We have the ability to save some money each week but not quite enough to afford to rent another place or buy.
    In terms of moving into another property, this is simply not at option. We would be paying equivalent to what we do now for a unit half the size (because of the market) and as said above, we will not be able to afford to buy a place of our own in this area and it is something we are happy with.
    There are a number of renovations we will be doing that are purely for cosmetic reasons that I would like to do as I treat this apartment as my forever home and my parents are happy for us to live there. The building’s insurance will be covering the repairs that were caused by water damage. We were also completely unaware of the extent of water damage while the apartment was leased because unfortunately the tenants didn’t report any of it. We will not be dealing with any transfer of property whatsoever as my $50K renovation does not entitle me to ask him to transfer us his million dollar property. We would also be paying the equivalent of the renovation and then some in taxes even if he were to do that. When we renovate we will be moving in with my parents because we cannot afford to rent elsewhere temporarily and we both agree it’s ludicrous that we spend money on a second rental essentially when we have a room available for us at my parents’ place. Notwithstanding this, while I do appreciate external input, I would appreciate if people did not give their input on an issue separate to what I asked about. My parents have done so much for us over the years without us asking anything of them and frankly I do not have an issue spending money on an apartment that we live in permanently which will eventually become mine anyway.
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    I mean I do think you have to take the property ownership into account because that's a big part of this conversation.

    "There are a number of renovations we will be doing that are purely for cosmetic reasons that I would like to do as I treat this apartment as my forever home"

    "I do not have an issue spending money on an apartment that we live in permanently which will eventually become mine anyway"

    Lots of "I" language in those two sentences. Whose money is going into the renovation? All yours? All his? 50/50? Does he want to do all these renovations?

    I don't know anything about the Australian housing market (or wages for that matter) so I'll stay clear out of that. But personally, I wouldn't lean on my parents to provide me a place to live, especially if it got messy with inheritances and all that business.

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  • Cassandra7
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    You may not live there permanently and you have no guarantee that the property will ultimately be yours. You are renovating someone else's property.

    If your father wanted to insure now that you would ultimately own the apartment, he could arrange that legally--an irrevocable trust, perhaps. Why not do that, if it is his absolute intention that you inherit?

    You may have forty years before you may inherit. You don't think changes in relationships and finances are likely in forty years? The last time my father changed his will he was 96 years old....

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  • mrswinteriscoming
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    I say I because technically it is ‘I’ who will inherit the apartment.
    I am the breadwinner in our household so I’ll be covering the bulk of expenses as well as choosing the majority of fixtures as he’s impartial to it and agrees I have better taste lol.
    FH knows I won’t put a baby in the second bedroom until the walls are fixed, and that while we’re at it, it makes sense to re do the kitchen and laundry (amongst other things) to maximize space for our soon to be growing family. FH doesn’t have an issue with the improvements themselves, it’s more the hassle associated with actually doing them because we will need to move out when it happens, regardless of when it is done.
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    "Notwithstanding this, while I do appreciate external input, I would appreciate if people did not give their input on an issue separate to what I asked about."

    Ok. So, I guess, you are asking how to force your future spouse to be OK with renovating your parents' property now, before your wedding, without him being allowed to have an opinion on the type/amount of renovations or the timing or where you will live during the renovations I don't think you can force him to be ok with all of that, mental health issues or not. You are going to have to compromise with him and start learning to take his concerns seriously.

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  • Katie
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    One thing you didn’t address: your FH’s concerns and reservations. As great as a deal you seem to think this is, at the end of the day, you said he’s annoyed and not down with the timing. I think plenty of points have been made to justify why this isn’t a good time. You also seem to be in denial a bit about it not actually being your home. You are a tenant, not an owner. If anything were to happen differently than you expect (as 2020 has proven it probably will), you’ll be pretty screwed. It sounds like you’re trying to find a way to live beyond your means rather than finding a suitable home in your price range and adjusting your expectations accordingly for what you can afford in this market.
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  • mrswinteriscoming
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    He can 100% change his will, yes. He is also the type of man that would give me a kidney without asking it of him if I needed it.


    At the end of the day, neither of us have an issue with spending the money. No one will ever appreciate the full familial circumstances we have but in any event, given we are dealing with pricing similar to New York, it’s really not that big a trade off. If we could afford a place of our own in 2-3 years we wouldn’t renovate, but alas we realistically will only be able to afford a place of our own in 10-15 years, if even.
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  • mrswinteriscoming
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    In the absence of being able to delete this thread, I will not be reading or responding to any more comments.

    I appreciate that there will be no way to fully explain our circumstances enough to illustrate our situation in full.

    Thank you to the people who have respected our circumstances and otherwise provided advice generally.

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  • Shirley
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    Just want to add for future readers with similar inquiries: I would not feel comfortable moving in with my in-laws, and I would be upset if my fiance pressured me to do so.
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