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Ashley
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Finding an Officiant

Ashley, on September 18, 2019 at 11:05 AM Posted in Pennsylvania Planning 1 13

Since it seems that every state is different, this question is mostly aimed at my fellow Pennsylvania brides (but everyone else feel free to give me your opinions as well!)

My FH and I are not getting married in a church. We are having our reception in a barn and our ceremony at the same location just outside in a small garden. It's beautiful. Anyway, we were under the impression that we could have a friend get ordained and they could marry us and everything would be fine. Looking into it further, it seems that that may not be legal? My FH emailed the Clerk of Orphan's Court (who are the ones that deal with marriage licenses) and he was sent a form that right at the top basically says that a person ordained over the internet is not permitted to perform marriages in Pennsylvania.

I texted my cousin yesterday because him and his wife were married in her parents backyard and they had her cousin officiate. He said that when they were going through the process they were told that (at the time they were married in 2016) the marriage was legal but if laws change then maybe in a few years it would no longer be legal. So they had a district judge marry them the day before. My FH mentioned that that could be an option but I don't really want to do that. I personally feel that that might take some of the excitement out of the big day.

Basically I'm just wondering if anyone else ran into this issue and what did you do? Did you just do a quick courthouse wedding and then the "real thing" the day of? Did you happen to be able to get the mayor to marry you, because I see that that is an option? There has to be someway to do it that makes it legal!


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Latest activity by Cait, on September 30, 2019 at 8:57 AM
  • Ivy ORP
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    Ivy ORP ·
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    Here in Virginia online ordination does not count either. I had to jump through a lot of hoops since some in the clerk's office did not want to recognize my religion. But, here there is the opportunity for a friend or family member to be approved by a judge to perform your ceremony on the specific day and in that specific city. There is usually a deposit to be returned when the paperwork is completed and returned to the clerk's office. I'm not sure if they have something similar in PA but it might be worth looking into.

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  • Ashley
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    Ashley ·
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    I just don't understand why they make it so hard. I said to my FH last night that they make it seem like your only options, here at least, are to go to the courthouse or go to a church, and not everyone wants to do that. I'll have to look into that. Thank you!

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  • V
    Champion July 2019
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    I got married in Pennsylvania and we didn't get married in a church so we hired an officiant that I found through weddingwire. He is a former mayor so he is able to legally perform marriages. Every state had their own rules in regards to this. My husband's cousin became ordained online in Maine so she could perform a marriage ceremony for her sister and the sister's spouse. I know they had to look into the laws in Maine to see if they were legally married. I'm guessing in Maine that they allow someone ordained online to legally perform a ceremony. It sounds from the paper that you received that you would not be legally married if your friend got ordained online in Pennsylvania which leaves only a few options. One you go and get married at the court house then on your "wedding day" you have your friend perform a nonlegal ceremony or you hire someone who actually is ordained to perform a legal ceremony. Not sure where you are getting married but the person we had marry us in Pennsylvania is Mayor Dan Mcdavvitt. You should be able to find his information on here if you want to.
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    Veronica Online ·
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    I just saw that the photographer you hired is in Scranton so I'm guessing that's where your wedding is at. We got married in Scranton and Dan had no problem traveling for our wedding. I highly recommend him. He is super easy to work with.
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  • Ivy ORP
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    Sadly, that is exactly why they do it. PA and VA have been historically conservative and in many cases that means devout Christian. I personally believe it is unconstitutional but certainly don't have the time or money to fight it.

    Good luck, I hope they have that option for you and it works out.

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  • W-K
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    W-K ·
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    Use who you want to use and do a "self uniting" ceremony. You can still have someone officiate your wedding.


    https://www.meadvilletribune.com/cnhi_network/through-state-s-self-uniting-law-pa-couples-allowed-to/article_7149470b-28ed-5639-85eb-307aaeea3160.html

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  • Brittany
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    I know a couple in va who got legally married a few days before the wedding at the courthouse and then had a close friend “officiate”

    we may May do the same considering we want my uncle to officiate since he’s a pastor in North Carolina and very eloquent and close to us.
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  • Kelly
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    PA laws don’t allow online officiants, there are some caveats with the Quaker laws, but should the law changes then it could cause issues.

    We are having an officiant - I met her through the wedding process but she is not affiliated to any church. Her cost is $500. We live in a suburb of Philadelphia if you are around that area.
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  • S
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    I know someone who had the same issue in a different state, they signed the paperwork at the courthouse and then they went and had a ceremony afterwords by the person who was going to marry them
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  • Megan
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    Megan ·
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    I ran into the same problem. My venue ceremony & reception are in a barn in PA.


    Fortunately I have an out though. I’m just going to have my father (a former NJ mayor) marry us before the actual wedding in New Jersey. So our license will be from NJ but and we’ll do it beforehand. So then we don’t technically need an officiant who can perform in PA because we’ll already be married!
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  • Catherine
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    I ran in to the same issue! we are from NY and getting married in PA. Our ordained friend is marrying us (from PA nonetheless) he contacted them and told him he isn't legal to marry us there. Due to other issues we aren't getting married in the church - not that I wanted to anyway. So we just had a civil ceremony on our anniversary here in NY and are doing the big one there with all our friends and family.

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  • S
    Just Said Yes September 2020
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    I am in the same boat as you! I am from PA. My brother is ordained and has married people in the past. I was gonna have him marry us/would still like to.
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  • Cait
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    Thank you ladies so much for sharing your thoughts!

    We are still going back and forth. My FH Wants his grandfather to marry us. But from what I was reading he can’t be an officiant in PA. My FH hasn’t been looking into like I had asked and I’m getting antsy.


    I wanted to do the self marriage, but people are questioning us on that. Luckily for us we are getting married two days after our dating anniversary. Which will land on a Thursday. Maybe I might just go to the courthouse to get married first and then we could have his grandfather do the ceremony on the day of the reception as a stand in. I just want everything to be legal and easy as possible!

    Does this affect anything with paperwork?

    Not what hat I had expected to be honest but I am not going to get married in a church when we are two different backgrounds and don’t practice.
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