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Emily
Expert September 2020

Give me the strength ww

Emily, on August 29, 2020 at 12:00 AM Posted in Family and Relationships 0 30

Trigger warnings: Racism and politics - turn back while you're ahead or buckle up.


I'm 14 days from my wedding, and just trying to maintain my sanity with my family - specifically my dad and his wife. Pops has known my partner for quite a long time (8+ years) and they get along fine enough. In the early days Pops was fairly explicitly racist (not n word level but like "does he know his dad" level), which led me to skip out on holidays and gatherings for a few years.My flipping partner convinced me to reach out the olive branch since it was making it hard on my brother to negotiate holidays with my niece and nephew. Fine, we're civil enough and we just leave it to surface level.Fast forward to proposal, and at first I was adamant we aren't taking any of that man's $ for this. Then he gave me this spiel that I'm his only daughter and I'm taking something from him. He writes a fat check and said use for a down payment or a wedding, didn't matter to him. We accepted and have tried to include him/ consult before major things as a courtesy - invited a list of his friends, yadda yadda.But a few months ago I asked him if he considered that my partner would be part of his family after we're married (not even that he's been around for 10 yrs already). I wanted us to do a part of the ceremony where his family accepts me and Pops accepts Lamont. I asked him to consider how a lot of his rhetoric (at the dinner table and FB) may indicate he doesn't understand what it would mean to love and support a black son. He said he likes Lamont and he's "one of the good ones" (siiiiigh with his old racist crap) - I told him maybe zoom out and think on that some more and how that may be hurtful to us. He has only gotten worse up to now. I told him I scrapped the acceptance piece of the ceremony - I wasn't looking for lip service.
Someone out there convince me that I shouldn't cut all of Pop's participation - I'm ready to be like I'll walk myself and cancel dancing with him. He can sit, but put on your mask so I can just ignore him. I am so sorry that others are probably going through even worse versions of this. Luckily my brother got an education and tried to use it, so we're both not as dumb as the tree we feel from.

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Latest activity by Emily, on August 31, 2020 at 6:34 AM
  • Jmz
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    Wooow, all I can say is good luck as you navigate this. ❤️ I'm glad you always put your partner first as husband and wife should be. I don't know how realistic it is to change your dad at this point, but I hope you can do what you need to be happy and at peace with yourselves. ❤️
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  • Yasmine
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    Honestly it’s so said that’s people are still like this in the world. There is literally no excuse for him to act like that based off of your partners race. But what I can say is THANK YOU for acknowledging that the way your father acts is wrong and not just giving him a pass because he’s your father. You know that it’s very rude and you call him out on his crap. I’m sure your husband and every other black male who gets treated as such appreciates it ❤️

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  • Marabeth
    Devoted September 2020
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    It’s rough going though that. What does your FH feel you should do in regards to including your dad in the activities of the wedding? I have no words of advice or wisdom but I think you need to follow your heart on this.


    My FH is (mostly) white (1/4 Hispanic) but my ex husband is Hispanic and I ended cutting several members of my family out of my life. I refuse to have people like that, even the passive/closet racist be apart of my children’s lives. I was lucky though, my father isn’t racist and would’ve accepted and supported anyone I dated.
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  • Rebecca
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    I'm so sorry.

    At this point, it's really down to how comfortable you and your FH feel being around him. If your dad is not a safe person to be around (given the state of the country right now), then remember that blood does not mean people get to abuse you and those you love.

    Toxic family doesn't get a claim on you, just because you share DNA.

    Do not feel guilty if you cut him out, or off, to protect yourself. Grieve, yes. Absolutely, grieve. But there is no shame or sin in choosing safety and mental health for you, your FH, and any Black children you may have.

    If a miracle occurs and your dad learns... then, you can choose how much to open up to him.

    If it does not, then you are protecting your FH and your future family.

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  • Samantha
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    I actually read something similar to this a while back on another site. The turning point was when they had children. The Grandfather fell in love with his granddaughter and gradually changed his perspective. It didn't happen overnight, but she says that's her Father really turned a new leaf. Ingrained racism is hard to battle. Thankfully, there are people like you who are not repeating the errors of the father.
    I would ask your FH how he feels and take into consideration how his family will feel. If your Father is incapable of being civil and showing maturity and growth then maybe he shouldn't be present.
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  • Emily
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    Thanks! Yes, I'm glad that friends and partners are the family we choose. 😉✌️
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  • Emily
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    Thanks - I'm just in the same boat with a lot of white people, where racism is an absolute cancer in your family but you can't seem to eradicate it, and it's just walking around with a shame in your gut.
    Hope you have a good day - ✌️
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  • Emily
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    I'm sorry that you've lived it as well, but glad to hear that it doesn't make a difference who your current partner is. It burns my grits when people do the "I didn't care about women's issues, then I had a daughter" - bruh we were people the whole time even before you had your kid. 😂


    My partner has always been like "well *shocker* the old white dude is racist? *Gasp*", and he mainly tries to stop me from cutting him out completely. He's always taken the position of questioning what good it will do - Pops is like 70 years old and he's posting racist Trump memes to his other old racist friends. We "cancel out" his votes, so there's very little active racism he can engage in day to day - he doesn't even run into or interact with POC in his daily life except for us, so he's just on his own white island spitting hate into the wind. My partner wants me to avoid unpleasantness this close to the wedding because he's rational, but ugggggggggh. Cheers - ✌️
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  • Emily
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    👏👏👏 Thanks! I know my partner wants me to like calm down most of the time - Pops isn't the first or last old racist white dude out there, and he's like an armchair racist. Whomever taught him to use FB really deserves a kick in the butt.
    We'll probably just end up drifting further and further until it's shipping gifts for Christmas and texting happy birthday. My partner's family is so much more accepting and amazing, who would want to choose the other side.
    Cheers, ✌️
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  • Emily
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    Oh man, yeah - we currently aren't planning to have children in our lives, but that could all change in future. However, given that Pops has referred to mixed kids as "muts", safe to say I'd just cut that off from the first trimester - my partner can make his own choices on how much patience to use on him, but I would definitely cut ties completely for our kids in a hot minute.
    My brother has volunteered to "babysit" Pops during the wedding. Pops won't be drunk (hopefully?) until into the reception after the toasts, but after that bets may be off. Doubt he'll do anything nuts, but he may pull out a MAGA hat or some crap that I'm just not going to let fly. Wooooosaaaaaaah ✌️
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  • Mrs. Spring
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    Wow! That is very unfortunate. I would probably recommend your dad just be a guest at the wedding; but if you know he wouldn't come at all unless he walks you down the aisle, then you may have to reconsider.
    I can remember a gentleman askimg me where did I learn to talk so well and that I must have been adopted by a Caucasian family. It was shocking and heartbreaking.
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  • Yasmine
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    Trust me, I KNOW! Just continue to support and have your partners back. Unfortunately a lot of older white people are stuck in their ways and don’t see a problem with it or really just don’t care. Instead of just wanting to see you happy no matter who it’s with. I wish the best for you two
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  • Emily
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    That is incredibly frustrating and demeaning - being articulate and being white aren't hand in hand. Wish you the best
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  • MIWM
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    Pray for him! Just pray!

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  • Kristen
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    Sigh...being in an interracial relationship isn't always easy. I am sorry your father in law is being this way and sometimes some family members won't change. I think to somewhat keep the peace maybe he can walk you down the aisle but honestly it is all about how you feel about your relationship with him afterwards. I appreciate you standing up to family because sometimes people do not stand up to their family's ignorance. I really hope things get better as love is love.

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  • A
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    It definitely is a hard situation to be in... thankfully my immediate family loves my FH. However, extended family is a bit uneducated towards him. We no longer go to the big family gatherings and we have cut them out of our lives... if he cannot be civil, get those scissors out and cut people out...IMO. Best wishes Smiley heart
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  • Jene
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    My Heart goes out to you. You have to do what's best for you and your FH. My dads wife is white and I didn't invite her bc she posted really ugly racist things on her FB and my daughter saw it. She was shocked and disappointed. I talked to my dad about it and explained to him she wasn't invited. I wouldn't have an issue if my dad didn't show up either. My mental health is more important than dealing with fools and drama.
    People have to want to change no matter how much you want them too. I hope you find peace with this. Praying all goes well.
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  • Emily
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    Yeah I definitely respect when people cut them off fully. Good luck!
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  • Emily
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    You probably made the right choice for you - that's so shameful that she would post those things knowing she's a part of your family. Ppl are dumb as bricks and find it so easy to be hateful. I just don't have it in my patience tank some days. ✌️
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    Ah, but we can’t excuse their age for their racism. Many people of their time aren’t and weren’t racist. Many fought for civil rights. My dad is 83 and now has dementia but to this day he calls out my own family on their racist comments about Hispanics/Mexican. Because they’re not racist if they’re not saying it against Black people, right? That is their logic. 🙄🤷🏼‍♀️ It’s heartbreaking what POC are still going through and putting up with. It’s freaking 2020 for crying out loud.


    Your FH sounds like an incredible man who has so much patience and wants you happy and your wedding to be special for you. I honestly don’t know what I would do in your case with your dad, but I recently deleted my own sister from social media and told my son (who still stays in contact with her, he’s only 13) that she is definitely not invited to my wedding. But then I had to explain why. “Aunt R is racist and she tries to say it’s just words and it’s what her generation did but no.” Her generation is in their 50s, they know better. (My siblings are much older than I am.)
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