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Expert September 2022

Guest List Vent Post

EGD, on October 18, 2021 at 1:48 PM Posted in Family and Relationships 0 19

This is more of a vent post, but will take advice if you have any.

FH and I created our guest list pretty soon after getting engaged. We included all our family as well as friends and family friends from both sides.

His parents have WAY more friends than my parents do, they're very social people where my parents are not and that's fine. We didn't include every single one of his parents friends, just the ones FH WANTED there. We both come from pretty large Italian families, but FH's mom, places a lot more importance on the obscure cousins than my mom does. I have first cousins I'm not even inviting.

When we created the guestlist, there was just one set of cousins my mom wanted me to add when I went over the list with her, and we then went over the list with FH's parents and they started rattling off names of people that I didn't know and we explained we were trying to keep the guest list low since my parents were paying, at this point his parents said "oh no we're gonna help pay too" This was in January, and we haven't seen any money from his parents, but have let them know when we booked the venue, photographer, DJ so they know money is being spent now.

I read the list to my FH probably 20 times before ordering STD's and FH said the list was good to go so I ordered and mailed out STD's. One of his cousins who I only met once (FH and I have been together for 7 years) at a funeral a couple months before I sent STD, got her STD and his mom called us screaming about how embarrassed I (why me when it's not my family idk but everything is my fault with this lady) should be because I didn't get her last name right (she's married and has a different last name from the rest of the cousins in this part of the family and like I said, I only met her once at a funeral and we weren't introduced at said funeral) His mom has not let this go, even after we apologized to FH's aunt and cousin and they both said it was fine and laughed it off (I also got this cousins name (the wrong name)/address from my FBIL's wedding guest list)

We sent the STD's last month, and this past Saturday FMIL asked FH if we sent one to *insert obscure cousin here* and FH asked me and I said "no she wasn't on the list" this is an obscure cousin who I asked FH about probably 10 times and every time he said he didn't want to invite her so we didn't. FH then went to his parents house, that same day and just told his mom we'd send this woman a STD. I told my FH that I wasn't sending any more STD/adding anyone to the guest list from his parents side until we have an agreement on money they're contributing/I see money from them. He snapped at me (which I'm marking up to mercury retrograde cause we've been pretty much on the same page and haven't argued at all about wedding planning up until now) that he didn't want to ask his parents for money and he didn't want to approach it.

Our guest list is 130-132 if I add this random cousin, 40 guests are mine, the rest are his family/family friends. My parents have written every deposit check/vendor fee/EVERYTHING we've had to give money too, I don't want my parents footing the bill for his parents friends to have a great time at our wedding when they don't even know my last name. I can't approach his parents cause his mom already thinks I'm disrespectful cause I don't kiss her butt like everyone else, but I can't just keep inviting these people when his parents aren't doing anything to contribute to our wedding but want us to invite all these people I don't know, and he just keeps saying "yes, we'll send them a STD" and leaves no room open for a discussion on contributing.

My mom told me to give her an ultimatum, tell her we'd make the guest list 70 guests his and 60 mine so if they wanted to add more people they had to get rid of people, but I literally don't have 20 more guests to add. I could add my random first cousins that I didn't originally invite but I really don't want to add them just to add them, I call them the "funeral family" cause they're just family I see at Funeral's and to me thats not people I want to be at my wedding day. FH also feels this way when speaking with me, hence why we didn't originally invite this obscure cousin because she makes FH uncomfortable, but he HATES confrontation with his mother cause it always ends up in a blow up where I get screamed at by her for ruining her life cause I don't give into her narcissistic childish antics. I literally have no idea what to do. I've always heard, he should deal with his family and I should deal with mine, but he just gives into his mom to avoid a blow up which I GET but I can't justify my parents paying all this money for his parents friends.


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Latest activity by EGD, on October 21, 2021 at 2:34 PM
  • Jessi
    Super October 2022
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    I'm so sorry you're dealing with this. My fiancé's mom is super similar to what you're describing and we had a lot of trouble at first because he felt the same way that he didn't want to add to the drama so he'd give in to her and say no to me whether he actually preferred my side or not. We eventually had to have a serious talk about expectations and how if we got married I fully believe us + our kids are going to need to come before his mom does. It sounds like you guys need to do the same, or you're going to be this miserable about decisions forever since getting married won't change him.

    At this point I wouldn't even bring up money, just tell her that you both have decided your guest list is done. Telling her no, they're not on the guest list and that the list is complete is fine, and then refuse to talk to her about it any more. If she brings it up don't engage, change the subject or just say "We're not discussing this further" and walk away. It's SUPER hard to do at first, but eventually she will learn that she can't pull that crap anymore if she wants to ever get her way with you guys. It does take commitment from both of you though, and you can't give in even if it doesn't seem like it's a big deal.

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  • E
    Expert September 2022
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    We've had this talk, and he's usually really good (he doesn't even like his mom all that much because of how he treats me lmao) but I think he feels a little "guilt" and I put guilt in quotations cause I don't even know if that is what it is, but he's the baby and the last son to get married so she's hyper focused on us even tho his brother is also planning a wedding for next year.

    We moved 45 minutes away to get away from her, which has seriously helped us, but he also doesn't like when I'm blunt with her because she flies off the handle when she hears the word "no" and he's trying to avoid that which I GET. I'm super willing to add this cousin in particular to the guest list, FH was the one who said no, he got into a horrific car accident 4 years ago and this woman came over the day he got home from the hospital and preached to him about God which made him wicked uncomfortable and we also never see her. I just want his parents to pull their weight if they're gonna make demands. They always throw out "We're helping pay" when they want to make demands but we haven't seen any money or heard of any figure, so I'm not really willing to cave to them with just a spoken "promise" of money and not actually any money being shown.

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  • Sarah
    Master September 2019
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    I know he’s trying to avoid confrontation with his mother but it sounds like the only way to do that is to just give her whatever she wants and never setting boundaries with people like that is dangerous. What if the next thing she wants is for you to name a child after her or to spend a week at your house because you live “too far away”? He can be respectful and still say no and if he isn’t willing to do that, she’ll just keep steamrolling him into giving her what she wants, leaving you behind. If she flies off the handle at the word no, that’s a her problem. I wouldn’t invite this cousin or anyone else she brings up and if she talks about your guest list anymore he can say “the guest list is finalized and we won’t be adding to it”
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  • E
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    Don't get me wrong, we have boundaries and he sets them we maintain them, even if it results in a fight and we move past it. His biggest issue with this particular boundary is it requires to "ask" his parents for money.

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  • Jessi
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    Maybe he'll think of it a little differently if he technically doesn't have to ask them for it? They're the ones who offered, so he realistically should only have to say "Hey, you've mentioned before that you are wanting to help pay for the wedding. If that's so, we appreciate it, but we'll need an idea of how much you're anticipating contributing and when so we can keep our budgets in order." Isn't asking them for the money, but is requesting a more finite answer than "yeah, we will." Is he close to his other parent to the point where he could ask without his mom around? That, or just act as though they aren't giving you guys money and continue to hold your ground.

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  • E
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    His dad is a SAINT, but unfortunately his mom is ALWAYS around, we don't get a second alone with his dad to be able to talk to his mom, especially since we moved out, his mom basically attaches herself to FH when ever we're around, and we can't get rid of her.

    I'm gonna talk to him about it again today, since mercury's gotten her act together we can hopefully talk without tensions being high, I never believed in this whole astrology thing since it affected me first hand lol

    I'm thinking of just suggesting they come to our house for dinner, and we can talk about it. The only thing that drives me nuts about inviting them over is his mom throws a fit that we don't invite his brother and sister in law over with them (our house is small and our dining room table only seats 4 so there'd be no where for anyone to sit) and she complains that her grandson isn't there. But I know we gotta talk about it, I just know he's gotta be the one to initiate it, not me.

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  • Cece
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    I think prior to even making a decision on whether or not to add this cousin, you and FH need to sit down with his parents and say hey, payments are becoming due. Were you wanting to pay for certain items, or just contribute a specific amount toward the wedding? They already said they wanted to contribute, so I wouldn’t even ask IF they want to contribute again… I would just go straight to how much/for what? They can see what it feels like to be put on the spot. And hopefully you will leave with a check!
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  • E
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    This is what I'm thinking.

    I'm gonna talk to him tonight to see if he wants to have his parents over for dinner on Sunday so we can talk about it.

    They always throw out their "paying" when we do something and not involve them but there is no action on their part. I think it's harder for me, cause my parents paying come with no strings, my mom keeps telling me its my wedding and I can have whatever I want where as his parents have a lot of say when they haven't written a single check.

    My plan was to always have this conversation after his brother's wedding in August, but that wedding ended up getting postponed due to a hurricane and is now rescheduled for March. I felt bad asking them for money when I knew they were giving his brother money, but I can't wait till March to have this conversation with them.

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  • Cece
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    Wait a minute…. So they have been financially contributing to the brother’s wedding this whole time, and then leaving you guys hanging?! That’s even worse! You could use that to your advantage though. Do you know how they are contributing to the other wedding? (Ie, are they paying for specific items, or did they just contribute a lump sum?) If you know that information, you can bring that up during your conversation. Something like, are you wanting to pay for specific items or did you just want to contribute a lump sum like you did with so-and-so’s wedding?
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  • E
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    Yep. I'm marrying the third son, its the last of their son's to get married. As far as I know they paid for flowers for Son number 1, and only cause my FSIL picked an arrangement for the center pieces and FMIL didn't like them so FSIL told her if she wanted them done differently she could pay so they did. and what I got from FISL2 they gave about 20k all with no strings.

    Edit to add: FSIL and FBIL2's wedding is about 4x's the cost of our wedding, at least their original one was which they got pretty much a full refund on when it was cancelled and did not pay my future in laws back as they just replanned the wedding, their new wedding will be held down in FL where they have a lot of entertainment contacts so I'm sure they'll get different deals on DJ/Photog/food/ etc.

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  • Cece
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    Wow. I can’t believe they are treating their sons’ weddings so differently. I would definitely bring it up nonchalantly during your conversation with them
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  • Cece
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    (Oops, accidentally posted before I was done writing)
    I would bring it up nonchalantly so they know that you know they are contributing to that wedding and not yours. The fact that your FSIL was direct with her and put her in her place, and FMIL complied, shows that being firm with her works. She seems like the type of person who will continue to walk all over you as long as you allow it.
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    FSIL and I have literally the same personality but FMIL hates me and thinks I'm rude and "aloof" in her words while she loves FSIL, I can only boil it down to me being with the baby of the family and her favorite son... FSIL and I have had this conversation 1000 times. I'm firm with her and I get screamed at about how I'm being disrespectful and ruining her life (she literally told me I was the root of all her problems one night as we were trying to decide if 5 of us were gonna order Chinese or pizza for dinner and everyone wanted Pizza beside her), while FSIL is firm with her and gets an apology. Hence why I just try to limit contact with her, but unfortunately this isn't something I can be no contact about.

    I'm anxiously waiting for FH to get home from work so we can talk about it, we tried to talk about it Saturday, but he was getting ready to play a show with his band when he brought it up, and he only brought it up as a warning that his mom would probably bring up the STD's to me, so we couldn't really fully talk about it, and he kinda snapped at me which I'm marking up to Mercury Retrograde making communication difficult lol.

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  • Cece
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    Wow, FMIL sounds absolutely horrible and ridiculous. So sorry you are having to deal with that! It definitely sounds like you and FH need to have a productive talk. Luckily, it seems as though he realizes his mother‘s behavior is unacceptable. Good luck with your talk! I hope it goes well!
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  • E
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    She is and he does lol and Thank you so much Smiley heart

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  • T
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    This isn't an astrology thing, it's your FI not standing up to his mother. Point blank. He should be able to assert boundaries with her whether you live 5 minutes away or 45 minutes away. This isn't going to get better unless he does. Been there, done that (Italian family no less!). Please don't chalk this up to a silly star chart, it's a serious issue. Y'all never should have let her invite 100 people.
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    If you don't believe in astrology that's fine, but if I believe the only reason my FH snapped at me (which he never does) because of mercury retrograde, then I believe it (no different than god and religion). It's not some "silly star chart" thing, I've experienced the effects of Mercury Retrograde enough times to know it 100% affects communication, dealing with the past and technology so lets move on from that.

    FH does set boundaries, stands up for me with his mother and has my back all the time. In fact, there is one toxic person in particular who we are not inviting and FH's mom keeps telling us we have to, FH is standing his ground and has not caved on this person even when his mom gets annoying with it. If you read the thread and saw my other replies you'd see that the reason this makes my FH uncomfortable is because it involves asking his parents for money. I'm fine with adding more people to the guest list IF they show us the money they claim they're using to "pay" for our wedding.

    We didn't let her invite 100 people, when we created our guest list it was sitting pretty at 125, this 125 included my family, friends and family friends as well as his family, friends, and family friends his list was both people WE wanted there, I actually didn't even have to ask him about 90% of the people on his side cause they were also people I would expect to be there, though there are some I could do without but they're important to FH so they're important to me, his parents have added an additional 7 people, not 100. I knew going into creating the guest list that his family put more importance on random family members and family friends, so I included the ones we saw on a regular basis.

    You'd be happy to know that this "silly star chart" thing ended yesterday, and last night at dinner FH and I had a very productive conversation about how we were going to address this.

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  • Megan
    Just Said Yes June 2022
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    We are in the EXACT SAME situation. I thought I was reading about my Wedding Guest list issues here. My Mother in law is the exact same way. In fact - today she texted me awful mean things because I have not included enough of her family on the wedding (The venue capacity is 250 - his family is already 175 of that guest list the rest are mine.) My parents are paying for everything and his have not sent a dime our way, but it is MY FAULT that we didn't get a bigger venue when she gave us her big guest list. I am completely beside myself right now with what to do. I have finished up my STD, and am planning to mail them this weekend. She texts/calls weekly with new people to add. I have added none of these people as she has not be respectful towards me or my family. I'm basically at a dead end. She's going to be unhappy and it'll be all her doing. Just wish she would be supportive and excited for her son instead of making this day a big party for her.

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  • E
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    Ugh girl I am SO sorry, it's so frustrating. I guess I should count myself lucky cause she doesn't talk to me, will only speak with FH cause she knows I'll hurt her oh so delicate feelings if she does say something to me. How to the most awful women make the best men?

    Stick to your guns, don't add extra people! I would honestly cut (at the very least) wedding contact with her, if you can't cut all contact. I would honestly not even respond to her if she were to text you about the wedding especially if she is being nasty about it!

    Hugs to you and hoping it gets easier Smiley heart

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