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Sophie
Just Said Yes July 2020

How to tell my narcissistic mother she can't sleep at our house before and after our wedding

Sophie, on July 1, 2020 at 9:54 AM Posted in Family and Relationships 1 14


I’m the single daughter of a covert narcissistic mother. I am still in contact with my mother, because I don’t want to lose the relationship with my father. They are still together, my father is suffering from her as well, however he is naive. When I set boundaries and my mother occurs a narcissistic injury my father stays on her side. In these situations he is enabling her behaviour and disrespecting my boundaries.


My parents live 400 miles away.


My wedding is approaching. In March my mother offered me to buy my wedding dress. I accepted this, and now realise that it was a mistake, because she always ties conditions to gifts. She could not come dress shopping because of coronavirus lockdown. This Friday, I will go to the bridal shop for alterations. My parents will visit us and want to accompany me to the alterations. I don’t like it, because I know that my mother will make negative remarks about my body and looks, but I could not set a boundary to her to not come, since she wants to pay for the dress. The more their visit is approaching the more I get anxious and stressed. I’ve been pulling all my books about dealing with manipulative people out of my library, in order to prepare for their visit. I’ve considered making an appointment with a hairdresser before their visit, just to prevent the (old childhood) pain of my mother’s harsh comments about my looks, but I didn’t do it. I could not sleep for last 2 nights overthinking what will happen, when they visit us.


A couple of weeks my mother also mentioned to me that my parents want to stay in total 8 days (4 days before the wedding day, and 3 days after the wedding day) in our city. The wedding takes place in the city where we live. She did not ask what I wanted. She didn’t mention it, but she expects to stay in our house. To my neutral question “Where do you want to sleep?” she reacted very badly through my father. She made my father write a very mean email to me. I know the email comes in fact from her, because I asked my father and he confirmed my suspicions. In following communications, she said that she wanted to talk with me about it during their visit for the dress alterations.


Since I experience so much stress and sleepless nights before their visit, I think it is actually best, if she does not stay at my house before and after the wedding. I want to be able to sleep before my wedding. I don’t want a controlling and negative mother in my house shortly before my wedding. I don’t want a person in my house who makes all the people in the household revolve around her needs shortly before my wedding. She says that she wants to help us with wedding preparations by staying in our house, however, this is not true. My mother has never helped me. In contrast, she only created more work and stress for me, because she expects that I serve her and that she can project her low self-image onto me. She only wants to portray to her friends and other family members the false image of the helpful mother.


However, I don’t know how to tell my parents that they’re welcome to join the wedding, but that my mother can’t stay in our house before and after the wedding. My half-sister and father are welcome to stay in our house. My parents are already on their way for the dress alterations. They’re now having an intermediate stop at friends.


How would you tell this to your narcissistic mother? How do you manage the bad reactions both from mom, as well as enabling father?

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Latest activity by MIWM, on February 27, 2021 at 4:40 PM
  • Margaret
    Master October 2020
    Margaret ·
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    As you're moving into married life the following comment, "When I set boundaries and my mother occurs a narcissistic injury my father stays on her side." - Your father is doing what he stated he would in his vows. He's standing by your mother in sickness and in health. Don't try to change it. You, yourself will one day be faced with a similar act. It is your duty as the spouse to stand by your partner through it all. ALWAYS.

    Maybe instead of having your mom pay for your dress you pay for it yourself and tell her to use the money for hotel accommodations during the wedding. Or, you can pay for their accommodations during the wedding. Simply say that while you appreciate all their help, there is so much stress and quite honestly you don't want anyone at the house (AND KEEP IT THAT WAY).

    Your mother is going to be upset with whatever you say so be nice, just tell her honestly you don't want anyone in the house before, during or after the wedding.

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  • Roane
    Dedicated December 2021
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    If you feel like you have to keep up this relationship, why don't you "surprise" them with an Airbnb or hotel? As thanks for the dress - that way she's not in your house and the "debt" is paid. And then never let her pay for anything again.
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  • Emily
    Super August 2020
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    This is a really good idea! Will avoid conflict and you can feel like you aren’t in debt.
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  • Mindy
    Super November 2020
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    This sadly reminds me of my friend’s mom and her grandmother. They showed up about two weeks before her wedding and made her absolutely miserable. Thankfully her dad showed up about a week before the wedding and moved all of them into their timeshare, but we had already had to do so much damage control and repair. I thought her fiancé was going to lose it.
    I had to usher everyone out of the house the morning of her wedding so we could “set up” and left her dad to help her calm down. After her wedding, her grandma made some nasty remarks about being sorry that she helped with that “white trash” wedding.
    I agree with previous people that you need to say no one is staying at your house before/after the wedding. And honestly, it’s hard when it’s your own family that is causing the drama. However, your home is your safe haven and the place where you should be able to escape from all of it should you choose. Don’t let that toxic behavior encroach on your space. It’s a conversation that I have to have with my fiancé because he casually mentioned to his father that he could stay here. Don’t get me wrong. I absolutely adore my ffil but I know that with work and last minute wedding things and packing for our honeymoon, I’m not going to want to worry about entertaining guests no matter how low key they are.
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  • K
    Expert October 2020
    Katie ·
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    I agree with the idea of paying for the dress on your own and setting them up in a hotel. The bride and groom should not have to entertain any guest the days before your wedding. Maybe schedule a quick couple day trip out of town if you are not immediately doing a honeymoon.


    I do not agree however with the comment about sticking with his vows and not changing your father. You apparently have not been in any sort of relationship with a covert narc. They damage your mental health. They are severely toxic and many people get PTSD from their extreme behavior. You cannot force people to change and I know that but he is not staying because of his vows, he is staying because she is manipulating him and the “naive” that she speaks of is the gaslighting that’s her mother does to her father. It is a form of mental and emotional abuse and it’s very toxic. I can guarantee this is not a healthy relationship and I ache for what her father has gone through.
    I hope everything works out with the wedding and I hope you can have peace on the days before the wedding.
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  • Sophie
    Just Said Yes July 2020
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    Thank you ladies!

    I think it is a great idea to pay for my wedding dress myself, and ask my parents to stay in a hotel or BnB instead. I will make some accommodation suggestions to them. Eventually they need to choose themselves where they want to stay, because my choice will never be good enough for my mother.

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  • Margaret
    Master October 2020
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    I have been in a narcissistic relationship, many in fact. But I've also learned to cope and deal in a healthy way to heal ME. People stay in those relationships for a multitude of reasons some because yes, they're are being manipulated and some DO stay because of their vows. You also DON'T change people, you teach them to grow and it's not the child's responsibility to do this. As a grown adult he knows what he's doing and his part and if he doesn't it's still not the child's responsibility to get involved in their parent's relationship.

    BTW - psychology 101

    "There are a variety of reasons as to why an enabler would want to stay in a life long marriage with an emotionally dangerous person. For some enablers it is religion and fear. They believe that they are not allowed to leave their partner; and once married to a so-called christian narcissist, the enabler, regardless of children or not, must do everything they can to maintain the relationship."

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  • Hanna
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    I would have all of them--your mother, father, and half sister, stay in a hotel. This way your mother won't feel singled out (if you were to let you father stay at your home but not her, I could see this causing a lot of drama) and then your mom won't have another reason to go off at you. You can say that you simply want peace and quiet and some alone time the day before your wedding and that means no family whatsoever staying at your house.

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  • K
    Expert October 2020
    Katie ·
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    You are correct it is not a “child’s” job to get involved , but I believe as an adult it is anyone’s job to support someone who may be in that situation. Help that person see what may be wrong and be there to support and listen and talk. Like you said, teach them to grow. Adult daughters or sons can do that. Especially if they know how bad it really is.

    My grandmother stayed with my grandfather because of their vows but when he died she was finally able to truly see all the damage he had caused and how horrible he truly was. There comes a time that they become so manipulated and sometimes dependent that they don’t see clearly anymore.

    The fact that she forced him to write an email and send it to his own daughter is evidence enough that he is being manipulated. Fear, love, religion, kids and money are just a few things they use to control others and why someone may stick around.
    My ex husband forced me to call my mother at one point and tell her she was never going to see her grandkids again if my stepdad was around. He had me so manipulated and controlled at one point in time that I actually did it. I started out in that marriage vowing that I would never divorce like my parents did and my ex played off of that. They know what your weaknesses are and they use them.
    You are correct about the religion, but many more religions are starting to accept that abuse in any form is a reason to get out of marriage. I had an annulment through the Catholic Church without any problems due to said abuse.
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  • Erin
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    I live next door to a narc... she blamed her husband for everything and said he was a narc....it wasn't until they separated (he has drinking problems and lost his license due to 2 bad car accidents in a short time frame) that i saw they were BOTH narcs and their 6 yr old son was in the middle of all this, (through my apartment walls i can STILL hear the screaming matches between mother and son) i had to block her on all media, and i was so paranoid about running into her in hallways and such, i would watch like a hawk til she drove away to come down, or leave way early before she got up.... she worked nights, and i worked normal 10-5 /9-5 jobs,... thanks to covid-19 i have been able to get space/breathing room away from her. and i HAVE ran into this neighbor in the hallway now 2x and thankfully she has been civil with "hi" and thankfully she hasn't pried into my life further. but yeh, you need to keep people like that at arms length if you want peace,.. especially on your wedding.

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  • Rebecca
    Master August 2019
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    I'm so sorry, my mother is narcissistic, too, though my parents are divorced.

    Honestly?

    To be really, REALLY blunt: don't have her at the wedding. I tried to go no contact with my mother before the wedding, but also to retain relationships with her side of the family. I didn't quite manage it before we got engaged, and the following happened. (For the record, DH has backed my every move in this long story.)

    1. We called her when we got engaged. This was the only vocal/personal interaction we had with her for over FIVE MONTHS.

    2. I emailed her to ask her for family info/about my father's mother's jewelry that is legally mine. She ignored the email for three weeks, sent back incomplete info, and pretended the jewelry question didn't exist.

    3. We called her for her birthday/mother's day. Again, 5 months after we got engaged. She finally remembered to ask how wedding planning was going. (She'd already received a STD.) She made some noise about maybe, possibly helping.

    4. She tried to bully my MOH into helping her with the co-ed shower (my MOH is a champ and ignored her), was told repeatedly not to buy me lingerie, and finally offered to pick up a cake from a bakery by her, and drive 60 miles, in August heat, with the wedding cake for our wedding day.

    5. Came to the shower, made a big deal about presenting me with my rightful jewelry (and I'm still not sure it's all of it). Brought lingerie as a gift to a co-ed shower. Refused to let me speak to my ILs alone, at all, at any point of the day, even when saying good bye to them (they were leaving the country that night). Made inappropriate jokes in front of *children* at said co-ed shower. ...And I thought that was her being pretty good. My friends just hugged me.

    6. Received the invitation. Which did not have her name on it, as she was not hosting, planning, or supporting the endeavor in any way.

    7. Was rude to my concerned texts about a flood in her vicinity.

    8. Declined online to come to the wedding. I LAUGHED when I woke up and saw this notification.

    9. Made a stink to the entire family about her name not being on the invitations. I mean, 2 of my cousins called me and tried to guilt me about it, were upset that DH was on the video chat, didn't let me see the kids, and, the kicker, after 20 years, asked how I felt about my parents divorcing. (...I did not enlighten them.)

    10. The entirety of her family declined/ignored the invitations. I cut contact with her and one cousin, unfriended/unfollowed the rest. Cried a little. Felt better.

    11. Had a fabulous wedding day, stress-free, mom-free, and danced the night away.

    It's been a year since we've had contact AND IT IS THE BEST THING FOR ME I HAVE EVER DONE.

    (Turns out the kiddos in the family agree that my mom is awful, and are on my side. Yay!)

    TL; dr:


    I am SO sorry. You are NOT alone. Narcissists ignore boundaries, so get your FH to help you enforce them.

    Don't have room in your house. Don't let them in, don't have a room prepared, heck, book a room in their name and drop them off at the hotel. Period, end of story, no, you cannot host people that week.

    Don't tell her anything. Don't react emotionally to anything at all. Go full Spock. Logic the heck out of her. She whines, she lies, she spins... nope, you're sticking to the subject at hand, you're dealing in cold, hard facts, you have no emotional reaction to her nonsense. (After a while, the spinout is fantastically hilarious.) (Feel free to freak out alone, you'll need to.)

    But mostly... girl, go no contact. Don't invite her. Give back the dress.

    The freedom and healing I have found since I have broken off with my narcissistic mother is literally priceless.

    *internet hugs*

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  • Michelle
    Rockstar December 2022
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    I agree with this. My parents are narcissistic but are divorced and I decided it was healthier for me to cut them both off.

    If you want a relationship with your father you should be able to without interference. But I wonder why if he supports and enables her treatment of you. If she or they do not respect the boundaries you have set up then you have to cut ties for your own mental health.

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  • Shirley
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    Tricky topic, but I at least agree that the vows require you not to desert them. I don't think the vows require you to always take their side, especially when they're causing harm. My understanding of my vows with my husband were "I will never divorce you" not "I'll always validate your actions and ideas"
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  • MIWM
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    I feel your pain, My Mother is a Narcissist and when she came dress shopping with me she tried to sabotage my experience and made some snide comments. I would be very firm and blunt with your Mother, Let her know she is not staying in your home. You have to set healthy boundaries with Narcissist.

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