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Just Said Yes November 2022

moh - should i ask her to step down?

Daisy, on January 16, 2022 at 10:00 AM Posted in Family and Relationships 1 11

Throwaway account so that no one I know can find the story. Sorry for the long post, felt like details were very important to the story!

Backstory- MOH, let's call her Sarah, has been a good friend of two years. Moved to a different state and when we met, neither of us really had any close friends and we bonded a ton. We do almost everything together and she comes over to my house often. When I got engaged late 2021, she had already talked about wanting to be MOH (and used her past experience as a bridesmaid to help), and I didn't have any close friends, so we went with that. No formal question or proposal, just a mutual agreement. She helped FI plan the proposal and we consider her a close friend, so I saw nothing wrong in my decision. The proposal is where everything started going wrong.

Proposal was done over a family lake weekend with fiance's family that we had invited Sarah to. It was an hour to two hour drive from where Sarah, FI, and I live. Sarah did not speak the whole car ride. She said she was car sick, so I totally understood that, but it was incredibly awkward. It was hard to start a conversation as she refused to talk and wouldn't even turn on music. Our usual fun talkative group of 3 was very silent. I brushed it off, and we arrived at the lake late afternoon. Got engaged within almost an hour and a half of being there (was super magical and everything I had ever dreamed of - lots of tears!) and me, Sarah, and FI had fun enjoying the moment and spilling all the details of how long they had been planning the proposal with FI's family. As the day goes on into the night, Sarah becomes increasingly less interested in being at the lake with us. Attitude is off and she isn't engaging with anyone. It's been a big day, we've driven quite a bit, maybe she's just tired. We had planned on spending the night that night, and we had all brought overnight bags. Sarah pulls me and FI aside and starts asking if we can go home. Confused, we ask why. Sarah just says she would rather be in her own bed and is tired of having to be around so many people. We try to discuss this further with her, but she isn't budging and is at this point, about to grab all of our things, start my car, and drive us home herself. This came as a huge surprise considering this weekend trip had been planned for a week or two, and months for FI and Sarah as they knew the proposal would be happening that weekend. FI and I eventually have to tell in-laws that our plans have changed and we will be driving home (it's now 10pm and our arrival time is midnight). Of course we get some pushback from FI's parents, but we don't want to make Sarah look bad and just say we changed our minds. The whole way home (FI driving), Sarah is in a very good mood and extremely talkative compared to her car sick not wanting to talk attitude from before. We get home at midnight, go to bed at our house, and start thinking of wedding stuff. We start planning a "wedding weekend" to visit a venue, taste cakes, and try on dresses, all in our hometown so that parents can be involved. This is about a month and a half before me typing now, after the "wedding weekend". Everything is going great! I book appointments, I make sure times work with everyone, I get us a place secured to stay overnight (FI's grandparents), and Sarah and I discuss in the weeks leading up to the weekend how excited we are! We plan to drive to hometown Friday, spend the night, then visit venue, taste cakes, and try on dresses Saturday. Sarah even helped with appointment times.


Tuesday before the big "wedding weekend", I text Sarah our meetup time for Friday and when we will be leaving to drive to FI's grandparents' house. She calls me, sounding very confused and surprised, and asks what all we will be doing this weekend. I confirm with her that it's what we had planned before: venue, cakes, dress. She starts acting very irritating and asks when we will be getting back home Saturday as she has already made plans with sister and brother-in-law. I tell her that it could be anywhere from dinner time to 9pm. Sarah says she needs to think about some things, because she told sister that she would be able to be at plans with her late afternoon-early evening. Frazzled, I call mom and future MIL to discuss this. Mom advises me to offer Sarah an out, as this seems to be what she's looking for. Sarah has a history of flaking out of plans, but as this had been planned for a month and a half with Sarah texting me occasionally how excited she is for it, this is a very big surprise. I text Sarah a loose itinerary of Friday and Saturday and explain how I would love for her to come experience everything with me, but if it doesn't work for her now, it won't hurt my feelings and I won't force her to come.


She calls me late Tuesday night, explaining that she just can't come to this weekend at all. She cries on the phone and says that it's just too much and that the weekend is her time to decompress and relax from work. She says her goal has been to spend one day of the weekend at home each week so that she has time to clean and do laundry. "Okay, I understand, but we've been planning for a few weeks and it's Tuesday, you didn't seem to have a problem before so I'm having a hard time understanding what came up? We will be back Saturday so you can have Sunday to yourself, or you can take your own car and you can leave whenever you need to before us so you don't get back late!" is summed up to what I said. Nothing works. She can't bring her own car because she can't drive long distances (understandable if she didn't drive over an hour to work and back every day) and she just HAS to paint a bedframe with her sister (plans she made the weekend before). I give up on the conversation, tell her it's okay if she doesn't come, and that we can do other wedding stuff together later. Immediately, the crying stops, her mood changes, she says she would love to Facetime and see pics and videos of everything, and then she starts talking about other stuff like nothing even happened.


The Issue- It is now Sunday, and she hasn't texted me at all. I booked a date at my venue, picked cake flavors, and bought a dress. I posted the date and an "I found my dress picture" on social media and she hasn't engaged with either post but has sent me stuff on the same social media platform. At this point, I am quite upset and frustrated. Where did all the happy excited energy go? She planned this whole weekend with me for a month and a half, flakes out to paint a bedframe with sister Saturday afternoon (literally!!!!) and now radio silence. Come to find out, she's been at her sister's house all weekend since after she left work Friday (she told me she needed time at home?). Future SIL, MIL, mom, grandma, and FI are all very frustrated as well. We had a talk over lunch after tasting cakes about Sarah. Future SIL (bridesmaid) and MIL think she needs to step down as MOH and mom and FI thinks she needs to be out of the wedding party entirely. I am very hurt and know I need to have a serious conversation with her, but I don't know if she should be demoted to bridesmaid (potentially causing more drama) or just wait and see if she gets better (knowing her the past two years, not likely). I just feel lied to. What should I do?

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Latest activity by Jacks, on January 17, 2022 at 5:34 PM
  • Cece
    Rockstar October 2023
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    It sounds like Sarah could possibly be suffering from social anxiety. One of my close friends used to do these exact same things. She would be super excited about the idea of doing something, make very elaborate plans, then at the last minute flake out. She would usually follow through on plans for just regular hangs, but anything out of the ordinary, out of the house, around new people, etc. there was a good chance she was going to flake - and forget about anything that required her to go somewhere overnight! It took a couple years, but she finally sought out therapy because she didn’t know what was wrong with her…. Turns out, social anxiety! None of us would have ever guessed it was social anxiety either, because she worked in a job that required her to be very social, and she was incredibly good at speaking to strangers in a professional setting. There were several things in your story that could be indicators of social anxiety. The fact that she was immediately quiet in the car while driving out of town to spend the weekend with strangers could be an indicator that she was having anxiety and was trying to internalize it and work through it for you. The same thing goes with being very quiet and not wanting to engage with others while there. Her suddenly and frantically requesting to leave sounds like she had hit full-blown anxiety and just could no longer deal with it & needed to escape the situation. And the fact that her mood immediately changed when she was gone, is an indicator of the extreme relief she felt removing herself from the situation that was causing her extreme anxiety. If you look at your next situation with her, it is pretty much a repeat- very excited about the trip, but as it loomed closer, she gets more anxious about it, until eventually she has a crying meltdown about going (an indicator that she is completely overwhelmed with anxiety about the thought of leaving her “safe zone”). Going to paint with her sister is safe and comfortable for her. It sounds like she has been a great friend to you until this point, so I would sit down with her and have a real discussion. Ask her what happened with the previous situations and if she was feeling incredibly anxious and “trapped” (major sign of social anxiety). Make sure she knows you are coming from a place of concern, and not trying to be accusational. Most people who suffer from social anxiety are not aware of it, so maybe you pointing out some of these common indicators will encourage her to seek out therapy and treatment (if this is what’s going on).

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  • D
    Just Said Yes November 2022
    Daisy ·
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    I understand this and it makes sense! I know she goes to therapy so maybe that's part of the reason. I just wish a side effect wasn't completely ditching plans out of the blue. The venue has crazy construction on the way there, something I'm not even that comfortable driving, and I just worry she won't make it. That's my family's concern too. How can I have her as MOH when I can't trust she'll show up or be able to handle a wedding? It's a whole mess, I understand the anxiety and feel for her but on the same token, I need someone reliable. Did I ask too much of her? I'm just sad she hasn't texted me all day either, but FI and future MIL want me to wait until she texts first.

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  • Cece
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    Completely understandable and valid to want somebody dependable for your wedding party! I think it’s silly and immature to play games with friends and see “who texts who first”. Reach out to her. Be the bigger person. Approach her with genuine concern and hear her out without judging. Lay out your concerns about her being able to show up and be present for your wedding. Give her the option of attending as a guest. Make sure she knows you are not demoting her, but wanting to ensure her that you will understand if it is better for HER to attend as a guest, as you want it to be a happy experience for her, not one of anxiety. And that you want her to be able to pick up and leave at any time if it is too much for her. Tell her she doesn’t need to give you an answer immediately. Let her think about it for a week and get back to you. It looks like your wedding isn’t until November, so you have plenty of time.
    I would definitely hesitate to demote her or remove her from your wedding party, as this has proven to be a friendship ending move in most situations. And There’s absolutely nothing that says you can only have one MOH - there’s always the option of choosing another bridal party member to be a co-MOH.
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  • Pirate & 60s Bride
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    Pirate & 60s Bride ·
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    Can you have a heart to heart with her and ask her if she’s comfortable being in the wedding party? I wouldn’t just demote her from MOH to BM. That won’t help her issues (whatever they are). And that could be a friendship-ending move. An MOH/BM is really to stand by you and support you on your wedding day—anything else is a bonus. Sounds like she’s been helping a LOT with your wedding already and it might be overwhelming for her.
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  • Michelle
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    Keep in mind that asking her to step down is how you end a friendship. Reach out to her since you mention she is such a close friend and you asked her to be maid of honor because she is so close no matter what, and let her know you are curious about her well-being. Don’t bring up the wedding at all. There is absolutely nothing she needs to do beyond buying a dress and showing up on the wedding day to support you. She is not a bad friend or a bad maid of honor because she isn’t helping you plan, especially if she has her own issues to deal with.
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  • Shannon
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    Your expectations are too high. Try to lower them as people aren’t as excited and willing to spend as much time on your wedding as you. You mentioned that Sarah has a history of flaking out on plans, so you shouldn’t be surprised.
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    Just Said Yes November 2022
    Daisy ·
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    Well, when she took on the role, she started listing a bunch of things she wanted to do (Bachelorette party, shopping) which is stuff I really appreciate, but if she can't uphold those things, I can live without. So not sure what to expect really except just to show up and be a friend. There wasn't necessarily a list of things I put her in charge of and asked her to do

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    Just Said Yes November 2022
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    Very conflicted about how to approach it. Getting conflicting opinions saying address it immediately and not ignore the elephant in the room, and just asking how she's doing just to check on her. Knowing her, I know she's probably avoiding me for the same reasons, we both aren't sure what to say

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    Just Said Yes November 2022
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    Yes I feel like the role might have been too much for her now, which is why I'd like to provide her an out before she's in too deep emotionally and financially!

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  • mrswinteriscoming
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    A great MOH will be there for you on the wedding day to support you, and help out with things you may not have even thought of - such as getting you a glass of water that you needed but didn't think to ask for, or smoothing out the train in your dress for photos, or making sure your flower girl(s) and page boy(s) aren't dirtying their pretty clothes. Your MOH does not however need to go with you to pick out your venue, choose cake flavours, put together the seating chart and so forth, and not doing those things should in no way reflect badly upon your MOH (or BM).

    It sounds to me like Sarah was so excited for your engagement that she put her hand up to do much more than she realised she was willing and capable of committing to, and it is something I have seen happen before with many people who are just so excited for their friends they don't give much regard in the heat of the moment to the practicalities of their commitments.

    Personally, I think for the sake of your friendship you need to lower your expectations of Sarah (even if she's said she will do certain things) and just appreciate anything that she does end up doing or helping out with if she chooses to. If you really think being MOH is too much for her, have a conversation with her and ask if she's comfortable and that it isn't too overwhelming for her, and if she voices concern, then and only then can you bring up the topic of her stepping down without potentially fracturing your friendship. Good luck!

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  • Jacks
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    Something's clearly bothering her. Treat it like a friend problem and not a MOH problem. Be on her side, in her corner.

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