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Beginner February 2020

Thanksgiving Drama- traditional parents are disappointed.

Pasqua, on November 20, 2018 at 7:37 AM

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My fiance and I are getting married February 2020 and we are both from giant Italian families. For the last two years of our relationship we have spent holidays separate from each other but this year, now that we are engaged, we would like to spend them together. We both want to share holidays and...

My fiance and I are getting married February 2020 and we are both from giant Italian families. For the last two years of our relationship we have spent holidays separate from each other but this year, now that we are engaged, we would like to spend them together. We both want to share holidays and my family wants the same thing as well. It's kind of the expectation that once you are engaged you begin spending holidays together.

My fiance's family is much more traditional Catholic Italian...they cannot fathom doing anything like holidays, etc. outside of marriage. They feel like they failed to raise my fiance correctly because of this holiday debacle. They can be very stubborn....and now as it works out I am going to be spending Thanksgiving with them. So even though we care and love each other (I do really love his family) now I am a sort of a reluctant guest.

My father will not look at my fiance favorably if we decide to not spend the holiday together, especially when I told him that we would after he asked me about it multiple times. Either way we are losing, we anger one side or the other. We just want to share a special day with each other, to share a meal with family and enjoy everyone's company. Why does this have to be a bad or immoral thing? I already have an expensive ring on my finger- do I really need to wait another year and half for the other one?

I don't want to disappoint either side, I do not want to offend someone's beliefs, but this is what my fiance and I want. We want to be together on Holidays and his family can't stand it. I know we should stick to our guns but I'm having a hard time trying to deal with my first holiday away from my family as well as being some form of an uninvited guest. I'm not looking forward to any holidays now- it just feels like it all has been tainted by my future in-laws' distaste.

Is there any advice I could get? Has anyone else ever had to handle a situation like this?

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    Judith ·
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    Is it "spending the holiday" cohabiting at night their problem, not where you have a big family dinner?
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  • Eamsee
    Super June 2019
    Eamsee ·
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    I am from a large, strict, Roman Catholic, Sicilian family and I have never heard of a custom where you cannot spend holidays together unless you are married. If anything, it's the opposite. My family wants my fiancé to come to holidays and for me to go to his family. Last year we even had Thanksgiving together. My family went to his family's house. I think this may be either a regional thing or a family custom, rather than an ethnic/cultural custom.

    It's tough because you both want to spend the holiday with one another, yet if you go to his family's house, you will feel tension and awkward. But if you stay with your parents for the holiday, you miss out being together. I wish I had an answer for you, but I can only see those two options and neither are ideal.

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    Super April 2019
    Valerie ·
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    My FMIL is like this. She is very old school (though not Italian and certainly not Catholic - she's New York Jewish) but she is more of the 'if you aren't married you aren't family yet' whereas my parents are 'anyone who wants to come is family!'. This was very hard for me to get over for a long time because I felt like my FMIL just hated me. We get married in April and this Christmas (yes she is Jewish, don't question this too much or your brain will hurt.... trust me) will be the first major holiday we spend together because it is 'close enough' to the wedding for us to be considered married.

    Do I think her reasoning is dumb? Absolutely, but it what she believes so I didn't push myself on it as I knew it would make things more awkward. I certainly won't run my house that way, but I'm never changing her so there is no point in making that my major battle with her. It's also just a day and my FH and I have always just picked what day holidays were and celebrated them together then. For christmas, we pick a day and have christmas morning at home regardless of what the calendar says. I'm actually more confused why your dad cares at all if you spend the holiday together. To me it should be none of his business if you choose to do it separate or apart and even if the plans change and him being mad at you for not spending it together is way more concerning to me.

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    Beginner February 2020
    Pasqua ·
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    I don't think most of everyone is understanding what I'm saying-

    It is not about where or who we spend the holiday with. It is about the simple ACT of spending a holiday together. That is the problem. I appreciate the advice on where to go but we have that figured out. It is LITERALLY about the act of sharing a holiday that is taboo to his family.

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    Beginner February 2020
    Pasqua ·
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    Hi Judith, I'm not quite sure I understand what you are asking!

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    Judith ·
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    It has been said they have a moral objection. No morals are involved in choosing where to eat dinner. So I wondered, if a moral objection, is it to the idea of you spending the holiday together and sleeping together? If simply a control issue, they want you alone with them at all holidays til you marry, then you need only inform them you are an adult, and make decisions about where and with whom you spend holidays. Not a morals decision. . Their being Catholic has nothing to do with where you eat or visit people on a holiday. If their objection is to your staying together, stay in a hotel and only visit them between morning and 10 pm. Lots of parents with some kids at home, feel guests ( which you now are) must set a good example, and not sleep together before marriage (morals.)
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    Judith ·
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    Ps- my in laws are very traditional Catholics. They got upset to find I volunteered to work on Thanksgiving, rather than go to NY. What, you are serious about someone, her parents are away, and you let her work instead of coming here and being with us? So I traded off the shift. Went to NY. So my FFIL could get upset about everything about me, at the late dinner of leftovers. But in the next breath, you are coming with T, for Christmas? You are invited. You are expected!
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    Sarah ·
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    There’s no indication in OP’s post or subsequent comments that she plans to spend the night with her FH. They only live an hour and a half apart.
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    That is what puzzles me. Because there is no moral dilemma in 2 engaged people having Thanksgiving dinner with one family only. And no usual problem with conservative Catholics, or Italians, in adding people to their holiday meals. It is encouraged by the religion and the culture to share a holiday with others. So, I wonder, where is the rub, the moral dilemma? Unless staying overnight? What am I missing here, since nothing in Catholic teachings, or being Italian says a thing about adult children who are engaged having to be separated, only with their own original family, on holidays?
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    I am very confused by this. I’m catholic and I don’t see a moral problem with spending a holiday together. Thanksgiving isn’t even a religious holiday. I would say it is very bizarre for in laws to have a belief that unmarried people shouldn’t spend a holiday dinner together.
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    OK-- so you guys have made your decisions: thanksgiving with his parents and christmas with yours. If they make you feel like you're an odd duck for being there when you're not married that doesn't make them very good catholics. You go and enjoy your holiday. Treat it like you would any other family dinner. If you're so worried about his families reception of you two, go spend both holidays with your family and then let them deal with their own feelings.

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    This may be long lol so just a warning, but I believe the detail is necessary.


    So It sounds like to me that they’re overthinking it all either way/regardless, along with perhaps them using that excuse of ‘immoral behavior’ etc Just as a scape goat for them just simply not caring for you and/or them not approving of the marriage in general (perhaps they wanted you guys to wait longer? Or may even just didn’t ever envision y’all getting married at all…?) not sure. Just sending thoughts and opinions from someone that has had similar behavior and found out it was all due to them not approving of me.
    Some still have roughness towards me, but with talks and struggles..I believe we have finally found common ground for the most part. They realize I’m in love with their son, brother, friend, etc (had issues with like all the in laws at one point lol) they realized though that I’m not going anywhere. & typically where I go, he goes and vice versa. Even before we were married.
    Which in my beliefs is how it should be.
    Things have smoothed out and everything is so much better now. But everything took time. & there’s still a ways to go with some, don’t get me wrong, but it’s still immensely better over all.
    Things just can take time.
    I’m sorry you’re going through this though. No matter their reasoning…it’s always so difficult to have people that ultimately should ‘ be in your corner’, to ultimately find out they weren’t even ever ‘in the same room with you…’If that metaphor makes any sense. May just be our lingo here in this state lol. (If that’s clear as mud I can clarify)
    Hoping this all gets smoothed out soon or even just starts on the path of improvement ASAP.
    Having even just friends and other family be negative towards you and your relationship can mess with it enough (& each relationship already has its own challenges without even including the issues of outside relationships) so there’s enough outside hurdles to jump that can add stress to a relationship, but when you add on top of that family drama/in law issues especially, that really can start to mess with you guys and your relationship. Even with each other somehow.
    It may not for some people, but it did with my DH and I.
    We came thru and are even stronger now.
    But we had to grow and learn and realize that if we want this to last forever. We need to put the other first always and set boundaries for those that are not truly there for us.
    Hope this helps and things get better soon. 🖤
    PS. Don’t ever let anyone ruin/mess with your happiness. Like don’t let them ruin the holidays for you.
    I know it can be easier than done, but have the most positive attitude you possibly can and enjoy your time together and your time with your soon to be spouse. Life’s too short to be anything but happy 🖤🌄🍁🖤




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