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Tbear
Devoted October 2019

The Trials of Marrying while Transgender

Tbear, on May 8, 2019 at 11:05 AM

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So, allow me to start by stating that I am a very out, proud and unapologetic gay transgender male. (To break that down for some who may be confused, it means that I was identified as female at birth by a doctor looking at my bits, then later in life, I transitioned to male to live as my authentic...

So, allow me to start by stating that I am a very out, proud and unapologetic gay transgender male. (To break that down for some who may be confused, it means that I was identified as female at birth by a doctor looking at my bits, then later in life, I transitioned to male to live as my authentic self. Transgender is my gender. I ended up falling in love with a man. Gay is my orientation. Gender and orientation are two separate things)

Now, I know that communication revolving around the subject of transgender can be difficult due to the plethora of misinformation, opinions and lack of education that skews 99% of society's perspective on the matter. I have always actively sought to help alleviate those misconceptions by being open to questions etc... and educating those who are curious (as long as the connotations behind the questions are respectful)

*Note: not every transperson shares this view. It is my choice to help try to educate. Please don't assume that the burden of educating falls onto all transpeople*


Now, I am out to most of my future in law family, at least all of the ones that I have met (either personally or online).


Well, there is a particular couple that I have yet to meet. The husband is to be my future step brother in law. Apparently, he and his wife are incredibly conservative. He also is autistic and has major difficulties navigating normal societal cues etc... This awareness of his POV made dealing with this situation all the more tricky.

Suddenly there was major concern and I was told by my future family members that I needed to out myself to him before the wedding to make it so that he was more prepared to NOT make inappropriate comments at a VERY queer filled/friendly wedding. I declined to out myself in such as way, because to this type of person, all it would do is make him obsessively focus on what lies between my legs and not the kind of person that I am and how I interact with people and the rest of the world.

So, after trying to not get upset at those family members who were trying to diffuse the situation, I stood my ground. No I will not be outting myself to someone who will possibly verbally use my uniqueness as a weapon against me at my own wedding, causing a scene that will definitely agitate my friends, family, my fiance and myself.

Instead, I suggested to the concerned family members that they have a conversation with him and very bluntly explain to him and his wife that the wedding will be incredibly LGBTQ+ friendly, and many of the attendees will be a part of that community. As fellow attendees, we expect/demand that they treat others exactly how they want to be treated.

I also asked those concerned family members to explain to this gentleman and his wife that we also value differences of opinion and would respect them greatly if they choose to not attend the day's events due to their personal beliefs.

So, while I believe that I have positively navigated this minefield of blending families, I cannot help but vent my frustrations that I had to deal with this BS. I guess that I just wasn't expecting to have to fight for my own right to exist at my own wedding.

Thanks for allowing me to vent on here, as this allowed me the opportunity to growl like a grizzly bear without making my fiance feel bad about me having to deal with this stuff, or make my family/friends feel that they need to protect me on my wedding day, or make his family feel that they have to protect this particular conservative family member should he makes a poor decision to spew negative opinions on a day that ought to be a celebration of love.

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  • Tonia
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    First off, I love how you broke down the explanation of transgender vs. sexual orientation. I have tried to explain the same thing to people and you made it clear and concise.

    Secondly, I think you handled the situation perfectly. You are out here living your best life, and it is not the time or place to take on the responsibility of the lack of tact for others at the wedding. We are almost date twins, so the countdown is on and you need to be focusing on the details and your special day! Do you!

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  • Porterpoppin
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    Thank you for educating!!

    I think this should definitely be handled in private. In no way shape or form should you be made to discuss these things at your wedding; or any other time for that matter. Proud of you for standing your ground!
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  • darcy
    Devoted June 2019
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    I'm wishing you nothing but love and happiness on your day! I know it will be amazing.

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  • Iva
    Super September 2019
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    Good for you for standing your ground & for handling it calmly! Nobody owns an explanation of their gender or sexual orientation to anybody. Especially not because the other person might be offended, disagrees with it, or even worse might cause a scene.

    The only thing I would say is that if it was me, I wouldn’t invite anybody, who would potentially be offensive to groom/bride, due to their own discriminatory views. No matter what the ground for discrimination is: gender, age, race, sexual orientation... it’s just unacceptable. I really have zero tolerance towards this. We are all created equal & we need to live our own life & let other people live theirs.
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  • Jeanie
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    If they are being invited to a gay wedding, clearly there will be people with “non traditional” lifestyles. I agree with you, I don’t think you should need to say anything to anyone. This person is your FH’s step brother, so if your FH doesn’t care to speak to him about anything, then neither of you should. If there’s an issue at the wedding, he can be asked to leave.
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  • Hermione
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    You can't really force a square peg into a round hole on this one...

    I get it's your wedding... At the same time you can't rewire your future step bil entire nervous system for your wedding. Autism is a born trait and it isn't something you can change. There are some controversial therapies that are tried and it's terrible. Terrible because they don't work. They teach the patient that they themselves are terrible rather than just different. They also don't teach coping mechanisms and actually just teach you to bottle everything up. It's really exhausting.

    This is coming from someone who is both part of the LGBT community and autistic. There are levels and differences of autism and everyone likes to be handled differently. The best approach is an absolute private conversation of things like what triggers you aka what hurts you the most. Maybe giving a sensory friendly room at the wedding for example. I hate disco balls for example and others fixate on them.

    I think your best approach would be from a different angle and that your current approach won't get you the results you are describing you want. I think you have put yourself in a situation where everyone of you are on the defensive on all of your 'existences." I am not sure if I am explaining my self clearly.

    I think your best options are either

    A. Not to invite the anti LGBT person to a LGBT wedding

    B. A private conversation to figure out how to include him best. Any easy accommodations or foods etc.
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  • Tbear
    Devoted October 2019
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    I am not sure where you thought that I was asking for someone to rewire an entire nervous system.

    What I did suggest was a trusted family member who has a relationship with this person educate them privately about LGBTQ issues without having to discuss my private bits below the belt. (I feel that this is valid as we no longer ask someone to physically verify that a woman is a virgin on her wedding day etc... aka... what I have in my pants is NOT appropriate discussion at a fancy gathering) I asked to educate the person that they will be surrounded by many liberal people who may not share their conservative point of view and vocal condemnation of the GLBTQ community would not be well received. I also acknowledged that their conservative POV were just as valid as my own liberal ones and that if they felt that they would not be comfortable, then declining to be a part of the day would not be seen negatively.



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  • Hermione
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    I think your heart is in the right place but your method may not get you the results you want. Appropriate is a very hard concept without rewiring the nervous system that perceiving what appropriate is. It is the very heart of the problem of autism. Autism is a neuro disorder that affects sensory and social interaction. The nerves that are common to everyone else to perceive what you are saying are not there.

    I think you understand LGBT issues but I don't think you understand autism issues. I perceive your education methods may be more perceived as autism shaming. I wholeheartedly believe this is the opposite of your goal.

    If someone came up to me to educate me like this, I would be very hurt. I would probably cry for a couple days because while I do care about being perceived as a nice person. I would start to have anxiety attacks about what I can't genuinely see or help. My nerves are just wired differently. It's a statement that is not understood a lot. It is like a light switch that won't turn on and can't be fixed. It's kinda like criticizing someone for being blind.

    You may be offended by this person anti LGBT views and I understand that as a bi woman. Deep down we're all humans and we have just been programmed in certain ways that can't be helped. If that were possible, we probably wouldn't go through as much trouble as we have.

    You'll actually find the autistic community and lgbtqia community have a lot of common traits. It's something we're born with. It's something a lot of us has been bullied for unfortunately. Or at least I have been bullied for being bi and autistic. It's made our lives both more enjoyable and difficult all at the same time. It is something that is a part of who we are.

    It's a very hard topic to approach on both sides. I hope you understand what I am trying to say and I hope I have answered your questions clearly. If you have any questions on general autism spectrum disorder, I would be more than happy to answer. Don't use autism speaks because they are not the best resource.
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  • Maggie
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    I’m sorry that you had to navigate this situation but you handled it VERY well. I wish you and your husband so much luck and happiness on your wedding and on your journey through life together ❤️
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  • Michelle
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    I truly wish we didn't live in a society such as we do right now...

    I don't think it's fair for you to have to be stressed about this family member. I really hope they can help this individual understand so that the attention will be on you guys & your beautiful day!!

    I hope your wedding is a beautiful one! Good luck!!!
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  • Samantha
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    Wishing you all the best! Cheers to a happy and healthy marriage!
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  • Kat_
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    First, congrats on your engagement and cheers to the wedding! I’m stoked that we can marry who we love and I never thought it would happen in my lifetime! Your post totally resonated with me... I can empathize.

    I’ve read as much as I can get my hands on when it comes to LGBTQ weddings... and the best part... WE are making the traditions! We are making history my friend and that’s something to celebrate on its own! 🌈

    I haven’t come out to all my family but when they got the invitation with my lovely bride-to-be and I on there if they didn’t know.. they do now! There are some people in my extended family that may not support gay marriage but I invited them anyway. I prayed, and kind of know, that if they don’t support us then they won’t come.

    After reading your post and your concerns for your in-law and their behavior, I realize that ignorance and conservative people are everywhere and we can’t control what other people do or say.... that being said, I now plan to let my wedding planner know and have her talk with our security guard... if literally ANYTHING negative is said about me and my bride or my loving friends and community... they will get asked to leave discretely. I mean it. I might let my venue team know too.

    Maybe tell your planner, security guard, and/or venue team? Couldn’t hurt to have a plan in place for the worst. We both probably won’t need it but piece of mind couldn’t hurt.

    I can bet you... If something is said, I’m sure you have some witty bad ass friends and family that will put him in his place. 😘

    Love is to be celebrated and your wedding is for just that. You will be surrounded by love, light, family and community... all celebrating the love you two share and that your souls found one another. You’ll be surrounded by a cloud of bliss and love that negativity can’t penetrate! Congrats to you both!

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    Thank you for the information! So sorry they even made this a “thing”. Most of my family is very conservative (but polite and respectful of anyone no matter what is between their legs or bedsheets). We live in a very rural area and just don’t have much exposure to, well, life outside of the county. Lol. BUT I have one uncle who is just awful when it comes to anything that isn’t what his beliefs are. I have a friend from high school who I think is gay. He’s never come out to me, nor does he have to but I’m noticing a certain fellow that he’s cuddling in most of his social media posts. I’m just assuming he will bring the maybe boyfriend to the wedding and I’m beyond ready to meet him. I’ve already warned my uncle that if he tries to “preach the gay out of him” or calls him a queer he will be escorted out. That might be a good plan for you as well. You don’t need to make a whole deal of who you are just to try to avoid a scene at your wedding.
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  • Hermione
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    We have "that" family member too... Fh had a talk and told his grandma "her s**t will not be tolerated and she will be escorted out the min it happens." I am leaving this matter to him. We have a diverse circle of LGBT friends that are a part of the wedding. She is a very vocal and opinionated person who will have very unpopular opinions with the group. We found our tribe. We're a tad bit worried about her and my response is can we not invite her? His response to this question was maybe but wants to give her a chance.
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  • CDickman
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    I am sorry you have to deal with this. I agree it maybe best to warn him so he does not have to come. Also let him know any rude comments or behavior and he can not stay.
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  • Mandi
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    You have an excellent approach to this.
    I hope that everything goes well for you. On your wedding day, as well as your life moving forward.
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  • Cynthia
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    I am sorry you are dealing with this! But you handled it way better than what I would have. You will have a beautiful wedding and a beautiful life with your FH.
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  • Rebecca
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    I'm so sorry that your FFILs are pressuring you to out yourself to someone! I hope they can educate and ease the communication gap so that your wedding is 100% supportive.
    Congrats and good luck!


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  • Jill
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    My sister used to be my brother and I will say I love her but it is hard to wrap your head around. It’s confusing for some people. Seriously - when she first told me I spent days researching it online and was shocked at some of the transitions. Then looked at people and wondered if they were trans for a good week 😂. It was mindblowing

    But if they don’t know at all then they don’t have to deal with that part. I don’t think telling them at this point does any good. They know a man is marrying a man, so why wouldn’t they anticipate a “very queer” wedding (your words 🙂). You being trans has absolutely nothing do with this and I assume, like my sister, you have struggled and would like to put those days of being identified as the other gender behind you. You are who you are - a man. There is nothing else to be said about the subject and I wouldn’t let this have any impact on your wedding day. I loved your story and wish you the best of luck!
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  • Sandicomm
    Dedicated May 2019
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    Congratulations, TBear, and thank you for performing a small but very generous amount of emotional labor for the group.

    Normally, I would say that, as a trans* person, you know that your safety and security come first, and you know exactly what they look like. However, as Hermione has also generously taken the time to point out, your future step brother is not neurotypical, and having a big sit down about his views might upset him or trigger him in ways you might not anticipate. Perhaps someone (not you, since this is not your responsibility) can talk to him about how to best accommodate him for the wedding (ie, if there are any noises, lights, etc. that would bother him) and can also bring up the fact that this is a queer wedding and the couple does not want to trigger him. Perhaps if the conversation is couched in these terms it might open up a broader conversation about literal and figurative accessibility and can be seen in the spirit of generosity.

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