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Just Said Yes August 2024

Wedding Party

Stephanie, on August 30, 2023 at 11:52 AM Posted in Family and Relationships 0 16
So I’m looking for other’s perspectives and opinions on my current situation. A little back story…. My fiancé and I have been together for 5 years and got engaged 5 months ago. Fiancé’s brother got engaged 9 months ago and just got married this past weekend. He and his new wife got together about 8 months before we did, and we do spend a good amount of time together. Future BIL’s new wife hasn’t really shown much interest in forging a relationship with me over the years. While we do things together, it always includes the guys and she makes much more of an effort with my fiancé than she does with me. For the most part she just acts like I’m not there. I only have my assumptions, but I think it comes down to the fact that fiancé’s family were very welcoming to me from the start of our relationship and have praised me quite a bit for all that I do for his mom and his son (7). Fiance’s mother is disabled. Earlier on in our relationship I was still starting off my career and had flexibility to help with his mom a few days a week. This included taking her to appointments, helping her with bowel movements (yes, it was as gross as it sounds), cleaning up after her, helping her shower, doing laundry/helping around the house, going food shopping, etc. Future BIL’s wife did not offer to help with anything, even though she only worked a few days a week part-time. Every time we would all get together, their parents would say very positive things about me, and I think this got under future BIL’s wife’s skin. She craves being the center of attention (her maid of honor’s speech was literally all about how much her sister needs to always be the center of attention), and I don’t think she liked how much the family fawned over me and did not do the same with her.
Anyways, fast forward to their engagement - we were very excited for them and genuinely celebrated their engagement. I always assumed I would be in future BIL’s wife’s bridal party and she would be in mine, even if just for tradition and symbolizing bringing our families together. While she and I aren’t super close one on one, we do spend a lot of time together as a family and I’ve always been kind and supportive towards her.
Well, she didn’t ask me to be a bridesmaid, and at first I thought it may be that she had too many people she was close with and tried to just brush it off. Then, she doesn’t invite me to her bachelorette party and proceeds to tell me all about their plans to go to Miami a few weeks before they were planning to leave. Super awkward, and definitely felt like she was twisting the knife a little that I wasn’t invited. I’ve tried reaching out asking about how wedding planning was going and she didn’t really seem to want to give me any details. Leading up to the wedding last week, I reached out a few times to see if she needed help with anything and to share my excitement for her the day before the wedding. She then asked if I wanted to get ready in her suite with her and the girls, so I responded and said “sure, that sounds like fun!”. When I saw her before we were leaving the rehearsal dinner (fiancé is the best man), I told her to just text me in the morning whenever she wanted me to come over so I didn’t interrupt any of the bridal party stuff. She said ok, but I could tell she wasn’t really excited about me joining them. Awkward. Anyways, the next morning I got up with fiancé and we had breakfast at the hotel and got back to the room mid-morning. Fiancé’s brother reached out to him about running some errands before the wedding, so he ran out to do that while I got myself and future step-son (7) showered and together. Around noon, fiancé comes back to our room and lets me know that all of the groomsmen are going to be coming to our room to get ready because we have the only other suite (the bridal party was in the other). We could hear the bridal party blasting music and laughing through the wall since 7am, but I hadn’t heard from bride all morning. Well, I had nowhere to go and the bride never texted me to come join them, so I was stuck in the hotel room with all the groomsmen getting ready with them. Then, around 2pm the trolley showed up to take the groomsmen over to the wedding and my fiancé said I should just ride with them since we hadn’t heard from the bridal party and I didn’t have any other way to get to the venue. At the actual wedding, she never even acknowledged that she didn’t text me to come get ready with them. I also learned that she only had 5 bridesmaids and he had 7 groomsmen (which was supposed to be 8 up until the night before the wedding), so she absolutely could have included me. They took a million wedding party photos and then the photographer suggested taking some photos with the family (basically just adding me and the groom’s dad because my fiancé and future step-son were already in the wedding party). We took about 3 snaps before the bride said she needed to stop because she was too hot and sweaty to take anymore photos. After the ceremony, I look to find our seats, and they don’t even have me sitting next to my fiancé, they have step-son next to him and me further down the table. We did some seat swaps so I could sit next to him, which was also very uncomfortable. Throughout the rest of the night I felt very intentionally excluded from things by the bride while fiancé was very warmly included. It was also very noticeable to others at the wedding that I wasn’t included as a bridesmaid (many of my fiancé’s extended family members made off hand comments about being surprised I wasn’t a bridesmaid… layer on the awkwardness). I told my fiancé the next day how uncomfortable everything was and honestly hurtful since it was made clear how she feels about me, and he seemed to understand and agree with me. I should also note that his brother is always very warm and kind to me, and I didn’t feel left out by him just his wife.Well, now we are trying to set a date for our wedding (after being asked by 100 people last weekend), and fiancé brought up the topic of wedding party. He has 4 very close guys that I knew he would include, and then he said he wanted to include his dad as well (which I think is sweet of him). I told him that I really want to include my brother and my BIL (sister’s husband) in our wedding party too. He wasn’t super keen on it because they aren’t super close - my brother lives across the country and is 10 years younger than us, and BIL and sister have 3 kids and most of the focus when we see them is around getting the kids together. But, I told him that it’s important to me that they are included because they are my family and I see our wedding as joining our families together. Fiancé is now telling me that he’ll only include them if I ask his brother’s wife to be in my bridal party. I told him that’s not the same… I was planning to ask her to be in my bridal party, but now I don’t feel like that would be appropriate. I don’t feel like I was merely overlooked to be included in her wedding but instead intentionally excluded. And would be a bit pathetic for me to ask her to be in my bridal party immediately after being so clearly excluded from her entire wedding. So, my question is - am I wrong for not wanting to ask future BIL’s wife to be in my bridal party after how their wedding was handled last weekend? And if it’s understandable to not want to include her, should I still expect my fiancé to include my brother and BIL as groomsmen (both of which he has a good relationship with and have always treated him well)? And how do I get my fiancé to see that it’s not the same ask?
I appreciate everyone’s input and perspectives!

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Latest activity by Veronica, on August 30, 2023 at 7:51 PM
  • LM
    Super December 2022
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    You can't force relationships to be close with a wedding or a wedding party. Put your brother on your side. Don't bother including FSIL. All of your family will be at the wedding and are already honored guests. If you want to give them more attention, you can list them in a ceremony program.

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    To answer, your question you don't. Neither of you should be deciding for the other who is on each others side. It is up to the groom who the groomsmen are and it is up to the bride who the bridesmaids are. If it is important to you that your brother and your BIL are in the bridal party then have them on your side as bridesman. Your fiance told you he's not comfortable with them as groomsmen so you need to respect his feelings. You can't expect him to respect your feelings about your SIL while you are disrespecting his feelings about your brother and BIL. Have them on your side or respect your fiance's feelings and just have them as guests. My brother was my bridesman so it's definitely not unheard of having a guy on the bride's side.

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  • Cece
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    You are absolutely not wrong to not have your FSIL in your wedding party. It seems very obvious she intentionally excluded you from her wedding, and that she is not interested in forging a relationship with you. However, it isn't up to you who your fiance has in his wedding party. If it's important for you to include your brother and BIL, simply have them stand on your side. Mixed gender wedding parties are super common these days, as are uneven sides. Just make your brother and BIL bridesmen, and let your FH choose his party.

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    I really don't think anyone should be obligated to have anyone as a bridesmaid or groomsmen if they are not close. Why would you want someone you are not close to in your group anyway? Honestly, it's so much better to not have a bridal party at all. Makes life a lot easier.
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    Also, I agree with the others that you can put men on your side if they are close to you. It's 2023. Perfectly cool.
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  • LM
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    I'm going to disagree with that last part. It sounds like Fiance only requested the SIL as a swap for adding the brother and BIL.

    OP, I know you have your suspicions, and personally I think it was rude to be seated away from your partner, but I would let all that fall off your shoulders. It's the parents that cultivate family favoritism and both SIL and your FS have been treated unfairly to the point of rivalry. Just move forward passed the toxicity. Whomever you and your FS choose should be your own decisions. Don't fill these honored roles with arbitrary guidelines like future in-laws, siblings, and single- gender sides.

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    Just Said Yes August 2024
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    Thanks for everyone’s comments so far. I honestly didn’t even think of having BIL and brother as “bridesmen” on my side as I’ve never seen that before. It’s important to me that they are included, and I (wrongfully) assumed that it would need to be as a groomsman.
    For those that have had bridesmen or have seen this, any suggestions on how to incorporate them without making it feel uncomfortable to be on the “girl” side? Also, I have 5 close girls (including my sister) that I anticipate having in my bridal party. I also have a very close guy friend that if I’m opening my bridal party up to include males I would feel like I should include. This would put me with 8 in my bridal party (5 girls and 3 guys) and my fiancé would have 5. Will this be looked at as over the top?
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  • Cece
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    With you having 2-3 men in your wedding party, I don't think you have to worry at all about "incorporating them without making it feel uncomfortable to be on the 'girl' side"; as nearly half of them will be male. I had one bridesman on my side, and the rest were females, and there was no awkwardness at all. Our sides were also uneven, and no one thought anything of it. Our pictures turned out great (both the posed photos and the candid ones of them at the alter) - it didn't look strange or lopsided. There is also always the option of having all wedding party walk down the aisle, then having all of them (or all of them except the maid or man of honor, and best man) sit in the front row.

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  • Jacks
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    Google photos of mixed gender wedding parties. It all looks really fine, actually. I don't think your FI should feel obligated to have your important people stand with him.

    Uneven wedding parties are fine, as friends and family don't come in matched sets. The size is significant with what you have planned, but you could have everyone walk down the aisle and take a seat in the front row, leaving maybe one person for each of you to stand at the altar for the service.

    As your FI's brother's wife, your SIL had no obligation to include you in the wedding party, and that's not really a rule. She was rude to ask you then leave you hanging on the wedding day, but it may have just been an oversight during the excitement of the day.

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    While I also think all things equal it's a generous thing to include FSIL and FBIL in the wedding party, not everyone has that mindset. Maybe she thought it would cramp her style or mean having to invite you to her bachelorette etc. She could have had you stand up in the wedding ceremony regardless, of course. I can understand FI's point that it looks petty and intentional to exclude one future sibling in law. Did she or her H have other BIL or SILs in their bridal party? If so, and they were not included is it also possible she felt she needed to be consistent?

    As for the getting ready drama, I would have asked her what time she wanted me there the night before or when she asked you, not expected a text on the busy morning of her wedding. And she was literally right next door, so I really don't understand why didn't you just poke your head in and ask once the guys were coming to your suite if not before.

    On another note, swapping seats wasn't appropriate on your part. They have the right to make their own seating arrangements. I don't care for the practice at all, but some couples choose to put bridal party together. There's nothing inappropriate about it, though.

    The bigger picture is the relationship itself. For the sake of family harmony, I would continue to be cordial. Nothing you've said rises to the level of a confrontation at this time. If things become more blatant then maybe it would be time to have an open discussion, but I don't see anything good coming from it now.

    As for the bridal party, I'd probably suck it up and include her if having the brothers is important to you. You could have the guys on your own side as others suggest, but having FI ask might be a nice way to recognize their new family relationship.

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    She only has one sister, who was her MOH and is single. Her husband’s only sibling is my fiancé, who was obviously included.
    I actually did ask what time when she texted me originally and she said she would let me know. I should have included that in the original post. So after bringing it up again at the rehearsal dinner and getting the reaction I got, I felt super awkward pushing it further on the day of when I didn’t hear from her. I guess it could have been an oversight with everything going on on the day of, but if that was the case I would have thought she’d realize when she saw me at the house and say something then about forgetting to text (which I would have just said no big deal). I’m pretty good at reading people, and I’d put my money on it being intentional. But either way, I’m certainly not making an issue of it to her or anyone else. I’ve only shared my feelings on all of this with my fiancé.
    As for the seat swapping… everyone else in the wedding party was sitting directly next to their date. The only reason I switched seats was because the couple that was put between me and my fiancé/future step son insisted on it thinking it must have been a mistake. It wasn’t like the groomsmen and bridesmaids were all together and dates separate… it was just me off on my own at the end.It seems like I’m going to have to suck it up and ask her, which is honestly pretty upsetting to me. I floated the idea of including BIL as a “bridesman” to my sister this afternoon, and she said he would be incredibly uncomfortable with that and feel badly if my fiancé didn’t ask him (which I can understand). My sister is also kind of difficult, so I know it would cause a huge problem if her husband isn’t included. My brother being included is a non-negotiable to me, but I think he would be easy going about being on my side.
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  • Kelly
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    You don't need to include your sister in law if you don't want to. In reading your post, it didn't seem to me like she was intentionally leaving you out. It sounded more like it slipped her mind because she had so much going on. You also don't mention bringing up your concerns with her directly, so she may have thought you were okay with everything. I agree with others that it seems the parents have fostered a rivalry. It may be worth having a candid conversation with your sister in law about your feelings.

    As for the mixed gender parties, they're really common now. I have men in my group and my fiance has women in his. We let them choose whether to attend the bachelor or bachelorette (or both) and which group to get ready with on the day of. It's working out really well.

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    "It seems like I’m going to have to suck it up and ask her, which is honestly pretty upsetting to me." Why would you do this?! She isn't close to you, and has actually gone out of her way to be exclusionary toward you. Why would you invite that negativity into your wedding party, (and then subsequently into your bachelorette party, shower, and on your big day)?! Ask your brother, BIL and male friend to stand on your side. They can decline if they feel "uncomfortable" for some reason (which tbh, is absolutely childish and ridiculous because their role would be to support you and your relationship- not segregate themselves into "boys and girls" like school children). At that point, they cannot be angry with you or hurt for not being included because you attempted to include them - it's not your problem if they choose to decline. Your side should be your nearest and dearest, and your FH's side should be his nearest and dearest. It certainly should not include either of you being coerced into including people out of guilt. And while we're on the subject, I would have a HUGE problem with my fiance if he handed out an ultimatum that meant including someone who so blatantly disrespected you and your relationship, and who he knows would create a negative experience for you surrounding your own wedding! On the other side of that, it is also not ok for you to try to force your family members into his wedding party. I think by presenting you with that horrible ultimatum, he is hoping you will understand his feelings and you will rescind your request. Don't force eachother to include people in your wedding parties - it is only going to cause resentment and possibly ruin the wedding experience for both of you. You only get one shot at this - don't ruin it for yourselves or each other!

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    Family dynamics can be tricky, some people just don't mesh well for whatever reason. Personally I think a wedding party should include your nearest and dearest I don't think anyone should be included out of obligation. Since it sounds like you and your FSIL don't have a great relationship I don't find it odd that she didn't ask you to be in her bp or extend an invite to thebachelorette. As far as the morning of the wedding she probably knew the guys were going to be using your room so extended the invite but wedding mornings can be stressful she may have forgotten. I would have just texted her or knocked on the door. You are under no obligation to ask her to be in your bp but it may improve your relationship with her moving forward (or maybe not who know) but your fiancé also does not need to include your family members on his side. If your brother doesn't want to stand on your side you can always ask them to be ushers or do a reading during the ceremony. I think some of the best life advice I ever received was don't make choices based on what others have or haven't done for /toyou make your decisions based on what feels right to you and best for you. Congrats on the wedding and happy planning!

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  • Jacks
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    I totally don't think you should include anyone out of obligation, that's the source of a lot of the wedding party drama that we see here.

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